Z’s coming up on the time for his MMR vaccine. As with most of the jabs he’s gotten to date, it’s just a thing that we do, a right of passage designed to keep my child healthy. Not something I would have thought about much at all, except that I’ve had a little bird (who shall remain nameless) chirping in my hear about the MMR vaccine and autism. It’s a link that I’d heard about once or twice, generally as being absolutely mythical based on apocryphal stories by grieving parents. But, when it’s your own child you think twice and just to quiet that little quiver of doubt in the tin-foil hat part of my brain, I decided to take a look at the science behind autism and MMR. It turned out to be quite a story.
It all stems from a single scientific publication. In 1998 a paper by Andrew Wakefield of the Royal Free Hospital in London and twelve colleagues was published in the British medical journal The Lancet purporting a link between the MMR vaccine and childhood autism. Wakefield and his colleagues hypothesized that the vaccine caused an irritation to the bowel, making it more permeable to the proteins delivered by the vaccine allowing them to leak into the bloodstream. The researchers claimed that these proteins acted as toxins and caused serious developmental brain damage, particularly autism.
Wakefield’s paper was riddled with problems and the scientific community was almost immediately skeptical. It was based on an extremely small sample, only twelve patients. While Wakefield did find histological evidence to support intestinal damage in the autistic children, there was no control group to compare against. The study noted that “onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with the (MMR vaccine) in eight of the 12 children.” In other words, the researchers relied on parents of autistic children’s memories of events rather than health care professionals. Parents that were understandably upset and far from objective observers. Finally, thepublished article stopped well short of concluding that there was a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism. However, when Wakefield spoke to the press he made no such disclaimer.
Predictably, the Lancet paper set off a firestorm in the British and world media. For example, in just six months in 2002 in Britain there were over 500 stories about MMR and autism. The MMR vaccine and any other vaccines containing a mercury based compound known as thimerosol (TCV) came under scrutiny by the press. Unfortunately, these stories rarely featured a rigorous examination of the facts on the ground. Every time that one of these stories hits the press more parents opt out of vaccination. Since 1999, the number of parents in the U.S. opting out of the MMR vaccination has nearly tripled. Cases of measles, which had been eliminated in the U.S., are on the rise. There were 72 cases reported in ten states in the first half of 2008. This can be causally linked to people opting out of the vaccine. More striking however, is that nearly 900,000 people worldwide, many of them children, died from measles in 1999. That figure was down to 345,000 in 2005 due largely to an initiative by the Measles Initiative to make the MMR vaccine more available in the third world. The resurgence of measles in North America should be a cold hard reality check – this is what happens when you do not get your children vaccinated.
What makes things worse is that Wakefield lied.
Since the publication of the original Lancet paper, ten of the twelve authors have retracted the conclusions claiming that Wakefield went too far in claming a causal relationship between the vaccine and autism. Wakefield, who was sacked from his post at the Royal Free Hospital in 2001, has since been charged with professional misconduct. This is based in part on the 2004 revelation by The Times (London) that some of the parents who took part in the original study had been recruited by a UK attorney planning to file suit against MMR manufacturers. Four or five of the children were covered by the legal aid study and Wakefield had been awarded £55,000 to assist their case by finding scientific evidence of the link. Wakefield did not tell his colleagues or medical authorities about this case and personally received £400,000 for his troubles.
The effort to sort out the science that Wakefield corrupted has been intensive. Scores of papers have been published refuting Wakefield and his colleagues’ results. There have been large, well controlled epidemiologic studies in North America, Europe, Asia all of which conclude the same thing. For example, one of these studies looked at over half a million Danish children, 20% of whom were not vaccinated. Compare this to Wakefield’s study that looked at 12 children, all of whom were autistic and had been vaccinated. All of these studies come to the same conclusion – there is no significant causal link between the MMR vaccine (or and thimeresol containing vaccines) and childhood autism. There have been no studies published in reputable scientific journals that claim such a link since Wakefield’s paper. The truth is that incidents of autism are increasing and have been for the last half century or so. Autism has a genetic component, but the marked recent rise suggests that there is some environmental factor involved. The first signs of autism in children are generally detected between one and two years of age, the same time period in which most children receive their MMR vaccinations – this is one of the problems in dispelling the myth of a link. But, except for Wakefield’s compromised work all studies undertaken have concluded that the rise in cases of autism is independent of the increased use of the MMR vaccine. Yet the fear surrounding the vaccine remains.
Which brings us around to two common themes here on afreeman.org – crappy journalism and scientists inability to communicate. The fear surrounding MMR is largely being propagated by the media, whose obsession with “balance” insures that in every story about MMR and autism both sides of the issue will be presented. In this case one side is the truth – that there is absolutely no link between autism and the MMR vaccine – and the other side is the lie fabricated by one greedy and corrupt scientist and his gullible colleagues. A lie that is, presumably unknowingly, being propagated by a press obsessed with sensationalism. Thus, having made its way into our cultural consciousness (it’s been on the TV, so it must be true) it is nearly impossible to rid ourselves of the misinformation. And well meaning people suffer. This happens, as it did for me, when little birds have friends who have friends who blame the vaccine for their child’s autism. It also happens when public figures, like presidential candidate John McCain, recite as truth something they read somewhere.
The media is not completely at fault, however. They are simply doing their job to inform and entertain the public, with the latter becoming increasingly important. Most scientists fail miserably to effectively communicate the realities of their research. Take for example, this reply to a Horizon program on the MMR/autism drama. Dr. Neville Goodman, writing in the British Medical Journal, responds to this program with the frustration that a lot of scientists feel with the media still spewing this swill. He writes:
“In 2002, according to the Child Accident Prevention Trust, more than 36 000 children were hurt in road accidents and around 200 were killed… five cases annually of childhood leukaemia may be associated with power lines. But perspective is precisely what is rejected by personal experience: so we have illogical campaigns to uproot speed cameras, to move pylons, and to give single vaccines.”
Goodman’s mistake is that he callously dismissed the “five cases of leukemia associated with power lines”. A mistake that many scientists make, we are so obsessed with statistics and data that we tend to forget the individual subjects of our research, we neglect to treat them not as numbers but as human beings. The families of those five children who developed leukemia by living under power lines probably do not feel that their campaigns are illogical. Nor would parents of autistic children consider their belief that the MMR vaccine destroyed their children illogical. There is no link, but we as scientists need to endeavour to educate – loaded with the facts, but deployed with compassion – rather than mock, deride or scorn.
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As you may have guessed, Z will be getting his MMR vaccine next month. I feel good that I’ve done the research, that I’ve looked at the primary literature and the “other side”. (Guess that Ph.D. was good for something).
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by April
02 Jul 2008 at 01:50
With this baby on the way of been doing a bunch of research on vaccines. I’ve also concluded that a link between autism and vaccination simply does not exist. I also believe that not vaccinating children is dangerous. But here is my concern: I just checked out the Mayo clinic recommended schedule for vaccination and it dictates a child have 24 shots in the first 18 months of life. Some of those shots are combined vaccinations, often multiple vaccines are given during the same Dr. visit. Knowing a bit about the immune system and the way adaptive immunity works, this system presents problems in my mind. When you are exposed to multiple antigens, the strength of the immune response to each is diminished. I guess I want to know, what’s the rush? I understand the desire to get kids vaccinated as soon as possible to decrease the chance they’ll contract something early on, but is it worth it? I just wonder if you gave vaccinations singly and allowed a robust immune response, would you need so many boosters? There are some MDs now pushing for an alternate vaccination schedule and the breaking down of multiple vaccinations so as to spread this out over time. I need to do some more research on this subject, but it’s something that weighs heavily on my mind.
I have a cousin who is autistic, we were less than a year apart in age. Since there is a genetic component to autism, this concerns me as well. But from talking to a speech therapist I know and reading some research on rates of autism, it seems like this increase in the number of autism cases has a great deal to do with better diagnosis and increased awareness. Before a lot of these kids would be considered slow, or just abandoned to their minds. Now with better diagnostics there is more help for them, and it is to a parents advantage to have a child declared “autistic” because it opens up avenues of therapy and resources. So whether there is really a surge in the number of cases of autism is also a subject of debate.
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by Matthew
02 Jul 2008 at 02:23
“…the number of parents in the U.S. opting out of the MMR vaccination has nearly tripled.”
If the link is true, than one could expect a drop in autism diagnosis in the U.S. I’m sure, that’s not, or will not be, the case.
I also read somewhere, written by a mother of an autistic child, that she cured her son’s autism with vitamins, controlled diet, and doses of anti-fungal medication. Sounded like a bunch of whoee to me. I wonder if there is any science to back up her claim?
by Ryan
02 Jul 2008 at 02:29
This is my favourite thing you’ve ever written.
Beautifully done, sir.
by Coal Miner's Granddaughter
02 Jul 2008 at 04:58
Chris,
This was an awesome post. J-man will be getting his MMR vaccine next month as well. All this talk of thimerosol and specific vaccinations causing autism are questionable. I find it interesting that the use of thimerosol has dropped and yet at the same time autism rates have risen.
I saw a special on the Discovery Health Channel about narcolepsy and that a few scientists believe that in some narcoleptic patients, the condition was caused due to an infection. The patient contracted the flu or some other illness and their immune system over-reacted and in its over-reaction specifically attacked that area of the brain that controls sleep. Well, if a simple illness or infection can cause narcolepsy, why can’t the same be true of autism? This means that any child at any time can be adversely affected by a vaccine side-effect or a simple virus and the social area of the brain is effected?
I don’t know. I’m not a doctor but I am a parent and I know that vaccines are important, more important that not getting the vaccine out of a fear that my children may or may not become autistic.
Again, thanks for the great post, thanks for reading my blog, and thanks for reading this ramble.
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by Coal Miner's Granddaughter
02 Jul 2008 at 04:59
Whoops! Ish. “Affected.”
Please, don’t kill me.
I’m always getting those confused.
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by Hezamarie
02 Jul 2008 at 05:34
Finally a post that gets to the meat of the issue! Even NPR.org played the ‘more research’ card and offered both sides of field in their numerous reports on the subject leaving new parents skeptical about vaccines.
Bottom line: there should not be a debate about autism and vaccines.
Excellent work, Chris!
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by CDV
02 Jul 2008 at 08:25
April, that’s a lot of shots. I don’t think we’re required to have so many. But the Dr wanted Zach to have both a Hep B and MMR on the same day and both Dr. O’C and I have nipped that in the bud for the reasons that you mention. Also, increased detection is absolutely one of the reasons why autism is being diagnosed more frequently – should really have mentioned that.
Matthew: There have been studies done looking at just that and there is no drop in the rate of autism diagnoses corresponding to the drop in MMR vaccinations.
Ryan: I aim to please. I like doing these kinds of posts but they typically require more work than I am wont to do. Much easier just to throw a pic of the kid up and call it a day.
CMG: Awesome?! I was going for barely adequate. No, but glad to hear that you’re not opting out of the vaccination. And, regrettably, we’re not allowed to kill people for misspelling anymore.
Heza: NPR, while my favorite American news outlet, sometimes treads to softly on issues to avoid offending their fragile base. To their credit, though, more research will never hurt.
by Rambling Canuck
02 Jul 2008 at 08:32
Well done in doing your homework. Good stuff.
by Jessica K
02 Jul 2008 at 10:26
Great post, Chris! I’ll be forwarding this link to a couple of people I know who are freaking out over vaccines. Fortunately, our pediatrician (who I trust completely) told me when Grayson was a baby a lot of what you just said. He didn’t go into detail, but he said it all stemmed from a lawsuit and parents who needed someone to blame. He also said that, in the U.S. at least, we got rid of all our vaccines (shipped them to third world countries… wonder if that’s where they got the ones you mentioned?) So anyway, thanks for doing a post that is relevant to so many people.
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by Angel
02 Jul 2008 at 10:26
Excellent writing! My little brat is already passed those first two years, but I can remember a second of panic when I first thought I may have exposed her to something that could have destroyed her life in that way.
You really are supposed to have that many shots by the age of two. And now I can’t remember the town, but there was a U.S. town who acted on parents not vaccinating their children. The schools reported inadequate shot records, and the parents were all sent letters informing them of deadlines to have their children vaccinated or face… don’t quote me on this, but I believe it was either expulsion for the children or charges filed against the parents!
Now I’m going to have to go look that up.
Anyway, thanks, Chris. This was a great post.
by holly*
02 Jul 2008 at 12:06
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
many months before our 1st child wast born (july2006), we had an appointment with our new pediatrician. we talking to him about vaccines among our other new parent concerns. he showed me places to read and gave me his personal, professional opinion of the situation. even though i came to the same conclusion (that the link between MMR and autism is a complete fabrication) through my research, i at no point traced it back to its point of origin. this has caused so much fear in parents who are already skeptical at everything we have to inject into our kids that many kids are getting things like whooping cough and suffering for no good reason. i hope this kind of writing makes its way around to the right parents and we get back on the right vaccination track. i’m going to have to repost/link your post on this one.
three cheers for informed parenting!!!!
thanks for the great post!!!
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by NATUI
02 Jul 2008 at 13:37
I loved your post, but it looks like I am on the “other” side of what commentors have been saying.
LittleMan did not get his MMR when he turned two. I am not against him having it, I am just against his getting it NOW. I prefer to wait until he is older, his development further along.
Am I convinced that vaccines cause autism? I just don’t know. I know this will raise your scientific hackles, but until the triggers for autism are proven, I will not rule it out. Do I think that his getting an MMR will cause an immediate onset of autism? No. However, autism is still a mystery to the scientific/medical community. If they can’t figure it out, how the hell are parents supposed to sort through all the conflicting information? I prefer to wait. You can’t unring a bell, ya know?
I do agree with you that the media blows this shit way out of proportion, but also on the other side of things. For all the harping on “thermisol” that the news does, most parents who have read up on this are not concerned with thermisol–it is all the other stuff in the vaxes. People have issues with the formaldehyde, the animal fetal cells, etc.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
I do think our kids get too many shots at a time, and I prefer to stretch them out. LittleMan got all his first year shots. I will not fuck around with polio and the like. However, the MMR and the Chickenpox can wait.
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by CDV
02 Jul 2008 at 14:03
NATUI, you don’t have to always agree with me, though I am always right. Just ask Sinead.
I wentto that link that you posted and there’s nothing objectionable in the MMR vaccine. I can understand why you would be bothered about thimerosal, formaldehyde or formalin, phenol or other toxic compounds. But most of the stuff in the MMR vaccines, excepting neomycin and chick fibroblasts, you would find in your average bottle of shampoo. The neomycin is to prevent fungal contamination, presumably, and the fibroblasts just help the attenuated virus along.
All that being said, it’s your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate. I’m glad to see that you’ve though the decision through and haven’t just knee jerked to some Fox News story. You’ve done the same thing I did, but just reached a different conclusion.
by holly*
02 Jul 2008 at 14:56
Natui brings up a valid point with the quantity of shots our kids are supposed to get by a certain age. personally, our pedi has a game plan to not give our son more than a single shot (sometimes containing more than one vax though) in a 3 month period. most pedis would do the same (i assume) and if they didnt acknowledge my concern, then i would have to look into other pedis. i too am bothered by a lot of the “other things” in vaccinations, but, for us, it seems to be a lesser of two evils kind of thing. do we let our child suffer through months of whooping cough or vaccinate? in a strange way, its similar to american politics. no one canidate is perfect, but, as an american, i have to, i want to do my part and be as informed as possible and vote, but, bottom line, i have to choose one way other another. which, is the lesser?
sorry to stalk your post, but this is what happens when husband is out of town and my toddler leaves me to my own devices.
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by The Right Blue
02 Jul 2008 at 17:14
Excellent article Chris, both for your interesting summary of the research findings on the MMR vaccine/autism issue, and for your pointing out again the maddening failure of the popular news media to get things right instead of reporting superficial bits and parroting half-truths or untruths.
Some time ago I began to notice how often and to what extent the general news media buggered up a story or misstated facts regarding something or other that I really knew a lot about. I wondered if they (the media) got things wrong to the same extent in other domains, too. I set about quizzing people in several other disciplines about whether they thought news reporting about things they knew a lot about rang true. It seems many people felt the way I did.
I suppose part of the problem arises from a wish to find simple and uncomplicated explanations for things, rather than multifaceted (multivariate) ones. Part of the problem, as you suggest, seems to arise from mistakenly assigning causality to a relation when, at best, a simple correlation may exist. But mostly, I fear, many journalists simply do not “do the homework.” They do not take the time to consult primary sources to check facts, they rely on questionable or biased sources for information, ergo they report untrue or incomplete information.
Okay, I guess I’m singing to the choir here, but please do carry on with this kind of writing.
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by ssg
02 Jul 2008 at 19:35
hey
I had this exact discussion with people in my hospital job, and this is my view
1- we dont know how lucky we are to have vaccinations. if you have ever seen a child with latent meningitis casued by measles YOU WILL GET YOUR CHILD VACCINATED
2- herd immunity, yeah, your child may be fed well and strong enough to fight off diseases eg mumps but what about other children they are in contact with who will die from it
3. scientist have been working their guts off to develop vaccines so the infant mortality rate in this country is no where near what it was even 100 years ago. if you dont want the vaccines, hell, sponsor someone in the developing world to have them
4. there are lots of risks with NOt getting vacinated and with feeding your children junk and giving them even aspirin, so why not do soemthing that will benefit them. how many people are alive today that wouldnt be if it werent for vaccines? think of the men that are infertile that might not have been if they had been vaccinated?
sorry, i am all go for vaccines mainly cos I think refusing them is a Bourgeois attitude that pisses me off WE ARE SO LUCKY THANK YOU VACCINES THANKYOU
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by Jamie
03 Jul 2008 at 00:55
Chris, what a great post. I will forward it to various people I have debated on this. Of course, I didn’t know the science, which you present so clearly. I took a public health concern. Most Americans who don’t vaccinate never suffer the costs, as they freeload off everyone else who vaccinates, who reduce the chance of a major outbreak. Once you travel in the “developing world” and see the human consequences of not being able to vaccinate, it clarifies the mind on this issue.
by m
03 Jul 2008 at 01:51
hi
I would just like to fill you in with the “unreported” facts on the Wakefield trail.
he did have the correct ethical approval
legal aid moneys were used appropriately
Dr Horton knew about the involvement of the law firm.
the case has no complainant as the journalist at the centre of it denies it is him.
no parents have complained
I have followed the case for the last year and it appears that the prosecution is deeply flawed.
btw i have a child with bowel disease and autism both of which developed shortly after MMR
Good luck
by CDV
03 Jul 2008 at 06:28
Hi M,
Thanks for reading and commenting. First of all, I’m sorry about your child and you have my sympathies.The reason I did this was for concern about my own child, so I can certainly relate to your passion.
The problem with “unreported facts” is the fact that they’re unreported makes them dubious. In my post, for every potentially contentious point I tried to cite a reliable soure (a proper newspaper or scientific journal). You would be well served to do the same if you want anyone to believe you. I did a fair bit of research and wasn’t able to find any mainstream press or academic accounts supporting this line of reasoning.
It is, however, a perfect example of apocryphal accounts. If there are any third-party sources that support your claims, I’d love to take a look at them. I’m not too proud to promptly admit if I’ve made a mistake. I just believe that these are bogus claims.
Jamie and SSG make a really good point. The fact that we are all relatively wealthy Westerners points out that even having this discussion is a luxury. There are folks in the Third World without vaccines (or computers) that would love to have the chance to turn down vaccines for their kids. Puts things in perspective.
by m
03 Jul 2008 at 07:34
you sympathy is not required as my child is recovering using diet vits and anti fungals..
google GF CF diet and autism and you will see..
when commenting on corrupt doctors it is best to have the most current information.
innocent until proven guilty??
if you look at the quotes and links that I have sent you ,you will see that the credibility of the GMC the Lancet and the government are at stake.
here are my sources regarding the trial .
he did have the correct ethical approval
http://www.cryshame.co.uk//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=125
“The grandest and most glaring hole in the prosecution case, had to do with Ethical Committee approval for a research project that hadn’t actually taken place. Because the prosecution had acted on Deer’s ‘bad brain-day’ narrative, they were insistent from the beginning to the end of their case that Wakefield had not gained research ethics committee (REC) approval for any of the things that he was supposed to have done. In fact the protocol (No.172/96) that the prosecution founded the majority of their case upon, was the protocol for a research project which had not, at that time, begun. It was not, as the prosecution had been led to believe, in any way related to the data reported in the Lancet paper.
All of the ethical approval that was necessary for the work on the Lancet paper case-series had been granted under protocol No. 162/95. This protocol had even been renewed and modified in January 1997, so as to include a more extensive research agenda. Because the prosecution had inflated Dr Wakefield’s role, having him do everything from clerking-in hospital patients, to personally carrying out procedures on those patients, they had maintained that a great swath of ethics committee assent had been needed. In fact all Dr Wakefield had ever needed was REC approval for lab tests on biopsy tissue taken during clinically directed diagnostic procedures; this he had.”
legal aid moneys were used appropriately
“The other major offence argued by the prosecution related to the money they said had been given to Wakefield from Legal Aid, that he had not only accepted – apparently a sin in itself – but also never declared in the Lancet paper. All of this was utter baloney, one of the charges even suggesting that Wakefield had himself personally received the money and used it to finance clinical experiments on the Lancet children. It was explained clearly that all the legal aid money that was claimed by the Royal Free, went towards the salary of a research worker working on a quite different area of research. Not only did this money not go towards any research or clinical work on any of the Lancet children, but Dr Wakefield didn’t see a penny of the money. These facts, however, don’t completely resolve the other argument about the money – that of conflict of interest – that now, in the contemporary research environment, might be declared even if it has no actual link to the project written up in a paper. What was happening and what did happen in the late nineteen nineties, however, we are still to see from the defence perspective.”
Dr Horton knew about the involvement of the law firm.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Lies%20Exposed%20At%20The%20UK%20MMR%20Vaccine%20Trial%20Court.pdf
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/JABS%20Briefing%20Note,%209%20April%202008.pdf
“According to correspondence and papers now revealed at the GMC Hearing on Monday, Dr Richard Horton, Editor of The Lancet journal that published Dr Wakefield’s controversial paper in February 1998 (1), knew almost a full year prior to The Lancet publication that Dr Wakefield was involved in assembling medical evidence from the lawsuit for children damaged by the MMR vaccine. This goes totally contrary to the evidence that Horton gave under oath to the GMC in 2007 stating that he was completely unaware of Dr Wakefield’s involvement in the MMR Vaccine Class Action.”
the case has no complainant as the journalist at the centre of it denies it is him.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2260&end=2280&view=yes&id=2755#newspost
“Brian Deer: “No! I’ve not complained! I’ve got letters from the GMC saying I’m not the complainant! Ask me the question again! Ask me and I’ll tell you!””
by CDV
03 Jul 2008 at 09:08
Come on, M, those are press releases from one advocacy group and your own site. Hardly what I would consider reliable, objective sources. Regardless, you’re right, we’ll give Wakefield the benefit of presumption of innocence.
The bigger issue is that all of the science excepting Wakefield’s, which has been retracted by all of the scientists who took part in it except Wakefield and Horton, has concluded that there is no causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism. This is the meat of the matter, not the question of whether or not Wakefield is a charlatan.
by Jessica K
03 Jul 2008 at 12:43
Wow, Chris, for a guy who doesn’t like conflict, you sho’ does bring up some touchy subjects. hee hee.
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by Angel
03 Jul 2008 at 20:39
I love a good debate between two consenting ADULTS! I love even more when it’s about something that matters. Something we all need to hear every single detail about so that we’re informed enough to make the right decisions.
by m
03 Jul 2008 at 21:19
Chris
the website I quote is the ONLY source of news from the trial. believe me, if the prosecution had been winning it would be in the news every day.
if the facts reported on this site were libellous or incorrect the GMC would have them removed.
Yes they did retract, but by siding with Wakefield they would be committing professional suicide.
There is alot of good science that supports Wakefield work linking regressive autism to bowel disorders.
and as for Horton his credibly has to be questioned.
I actually believed the science until my child developed regressive autism and bowel problems, when you look around and see the majority of kids with the same combination i make you think perhaps Wakefield had part of the answer.
by m
05 Jul 2008 at 03:16
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/julie-gerberding-admits-on-cnn-that.html
one final thing for you to look at
btw
you have great taste in music cool for cats really made me laugh.
all the best
by Joe
11 Jul 2008 at 22:50
Wow, this is one hell of a bold post. I think it’s great that people are actually doing their homework on the subject before just allowing their children to be needled. But, like you said, there IS a lot of misinformation out there. It’s tremendously difficult to filter out what’s right from what’s wrong. For every study you show me that shows no link to vaxes/autism, I could dig up one that shows a link. It’s yet another of the very difficult decisions we have to make for our children.
I don’t disagree with vaxes. Like someone said earlier in a comment, I do disagree with the number given in the first 18 months of his life.
Then, there are some vaxes that I disagree with. Some, because we don’t know of longterm effects of getting them. Take, for example, the chicken pox vaccine. It’s great that kids won’t get pox, but now there are studies that are suggesting a link between the chickenpox vaccine shingles later in life. I’m not going to dig it up right now, but I can if you’d like.
Then, the rotavirus vaccine. Seriously? It’s diarrhea. That’s all. It causes around 37 deaths nationwide every year. While I would be devastated if I was one of the 37, that is an insanely small number. If you don’t get the rota vax by the time you’re 5, then you don’t get it, because you’ve developed the immunity.
And let’s say your child contracts rota… the treatment is just rehydration.
When my son was born, the staff was itching to give him an eye prophylaxis (which contains silver nitrate). The thing is, Sarah had already tested negative for gonorrhea and every other test they threw at her.
When it comes down to it… parents need to be required to do their homework, so they can make informed decisions. Blindly rejecting, or even accepting every shot the medical field wants to give their child is ignorant.
I’ll be challenging Ty’s doctor to come up with an alternative vax schedule, and I really hope they can separate these vax cocktails (DTaP) at some point.
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by CDV
11 Jul 2008 at 23:07
Thanks for reading, Joe and putting in your two cents. A couple of things:
1. I only addressed MMR in this post. I’ve not seen the research on the vaccines that you mention and as far as I know, they don’t require them in Oz. Thanks for the tip, though, and if it turns out that the boy requires either of the vaccines you mention, I’ll do the same kind of research as I did for MMR.
2. Because, there are studies and there are studies. The problem with a lot of the nonsense that surrounds things like this is that advocacy groups get ahold of a “study” that’s not published in any kind of reputable journal. The press gets a sniff and before you know it “X” causes cancer, impotence and herpes. It’s crucial, if you want to be an informed parent to make sure that what you read comes from a reliable source.
Oh, and one more thing, I just realized that you claim to be able to come up with a matching number of studies that show a link between MMR and autism. No, you really can’t. Not from peer reviewed scientific journals, Joe. I’ll refer you to my list:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=search&term=mmr%20autism
And will wait to see yours.
by Joe
12 Jul 2008 at 06:08
I hope you didn’t misinterpret my tone. I wasn’t refuting anything you were saying. Not in the least. It was more of a rant of how, I believe, not all vaccines have been fully studied for long term effects, and that they may not all be necessary.
And about the studies. That was also a rant. I’m not suggesting that there is a link between MMR/Autism. I can’t say, with 100% certainty, that I believe there is no link though.
What I was saying is that it’s frustrating that there’s so much misinformation on the internet (or media in general). While I’m certain that I could find studies linking MMR (although I was referring to vaccines in general) to Autism, I don’t, for a second, suggest that they are scientific/reputable studies. BUT, to a parent that isn’t internet savvy, they can easily stumble across these, and they will believe it, even if it was written by some quack in his garage.
I really enjoyed the post. I only called it bold, because it’s an extremely hot topic.
My best friend has an autistic son. Everything they’ve been through over the last 4 years suggests that it is a hereditary trait passed down from one of the parents. Whether a vaccine “triggered” his regression to autism is unknown. Maybe it was a coincidence that he “changed” after getting vaccinated. They’ve tried the GFCF diet with no noticeable improvement.
Any time I interact with him, and he’s such an angel, I can’t help but wonder if we know everything there is to know about vaccines. I don’t think we do, and only time will tell what else may be going on.
A google search for “MMR Vaccine Autism” brought this up on the first page:
http://www.autismwebsite.com/aRI/vaccine/MMRreferences.htm
I am not saying I believe what is there. Hell, most of the references are to Wakefield. BUT, to a parent that finds a site dedicated to autism that says that there is “more than a casual link between MMR vaccine and autism”… well…. as likely as it is to be misinformation, it is on the internet, and more people than I’d care to guess believe everything they read on the internet.
To recap…. I’m not arguing your points or post. Just frustrated with misinformation.
Take care.
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by Paulina
15 Jul 2008 at 08:39
I am in the process of doing my research deciding whether or when or what to give my child with regard to MMR. I wanted to make 2 comments.
Firstly as far as I have learned the alleged problem is with the combined vaccine. Why isnt there more conversation about still giving the vaccine but just separately over time? I for one am completely onboard with the vital need to maintain herd immunity, however would like to investigate if I can do the right thing by everyone else but still minimise any risk to my child.
Secondly, just because something has not been proven does not make it untrue. While this may seem obvious why is the phrase “no causal link has been shown” get used as though it means “that question is now solved forever more”. Who can say that there is no possible way that perhaps a genetic predisposition plus environmental factors are triggered in some children by the MMR. Time will tell. But as a parent faced with a single child that will either have it or will not, statistics and general discussions are little comfort. Could not the discussion be more conciliatory to all sides and try and come up with an interim solution until we actually understand autism better?
by April
25 Jul 2008 at 09:27
I saw this article and thought about this topic and the comments that followed. Maybe this explains some people’s views anthropolgoically.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-anecdotal-evidence-can-undermine-scientific-results
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by Kev
30 Aug 2008 at 07:31
Hello,
I have an eight year old autistic child. I have blogged about autism news and science for over five years now. I can state with some degree of confidence that there is no link whatsoever between autism and vaccines.
I want to address a few canards I can see floating about.
The question of the vaccine ingredients: take formaldehyde as an example. There is more formaldehyde in one slice of a banana than there is in the combined total of formaldehyde in all vaccines administered from ages 0 – 6 of the US and UK schedule.
The argument that the schedule is too much for a child to handle is equally fallacious. Research has established that theoretically, a childs immune system could cope with upwards of 10,000 vaccines administered at once. The issue is really one of antigens and teh fact is that simply being alive subjects a person to more antigens than the entire vaccine schedule.
Its true that thiomersal is still in the optional, seasonal flu vaccine. But being logical it should be plain to see that when vaccines were largely removed from vaccines in 2001 we should’ve had a large, easy to see drop in the rate of autism diagnoses. This has not occurred.
The various vaccine aetiology hypotheses have been around for over 10 years now and so far there is not one piece of valid, peer reviewed, journal published science that supports any of them.
As parent to an autistic child myself, I would very much like to see research monies allocated to things that will make a tangible difference in my childs life. Education, adult housing, job creation, communication therapies. This cannot happen whilst we are still centred on these damaging and misleading hypotheses.
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by Amber
30 Aug 2008 at 07:32
How sad that you have done some research on the vaccine and yet still choose to shoot your baby up. Vaccines cause brain damage and you don’t need a medical degree to see that…look at the difference between babies who have and have not been vaccinated. The differences are incredible.
It boggles my mind that you know the ingredients in those shots and still choose to inject them into your baby. You honestly think the MMR is needed? I guess what a doctor says goes no matter how crazy the idea sounds.
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Adolf Hitler
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by A Free Man
30 Aug 2008 at 09:54
Jeez, this post keeps bringing people out of the woodwork or whatever the internets version of the woodwork is.
Paulina – two things. I think that they should be offered separately if for nothing more than giving some peace of mind to parents. I guess the problem with that is it would take far longer to get your kids vaccinated. Second, no evidence of a causal link does not equal end of discussion. We’re having a discussion. The scientific community continues to look into autism, it’s just that every single study except for this bogus one consistently rejects a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
April – thanks for that great link.
Kev & Amber’s comments came from the old site. I’ve shut this post down on that one largely because I don’t really want people linking me to Hitler publically.
Kev – thanks for your inpur – well reasoned and stated. You’re absolutely right, the research monies being used to combat these bogus claims, could more aptly be used to helping people live with autism.
Amber, Amber, Amber – you are the worst kind of commentor. I almost deleted your comment, but I wanted people to see the kind of vitriol and nonsense that comes from the MMR-autism camp. I’m not going to bother to ask you to substantiate your claims because you’ve just made a blanket statement that you couldn’t possibly quantitatively support. But let’s play your game. I was vaccinated for lots of things as a child – polio, smallpox, etc. By your argument, I was brain damaged. Yet, I have multiple degrees and have worked at some of the finest universities in the world. How did my brain damage manifest itself?
Do I think MMR is needed? How about this, there are children in the Northern Territories of Australia that are being diagnosed with polio because their parents refused to allow them to be vaccinated.
What’s with the Hitler quote? Are you referring to your own willful ignorance? The lie that MMR causes autism? Because if that’s the case, I think it’s an apt use of the quote. Otherwise – go sell crazy somewhere else.
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by Mike
04 Jul 2009 at 07:38
I totally disagree with this article.
I have done the research too.
Vaccines are making the population sick.