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	<title>Comments on: Science Tuesday: Back into the hornets&#8217; nest</title>
	<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/</link>
	<description>An American Expatriate - Stepping Up From Down Under</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-6200</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I have an eight year old autistic child. I have blogged about autism news and science for over five years now. I can state with some degree of confidence that there is no link whatsoever between autism and vaccines.

I want to address a few canards I can see floating about.

The question of the vaccine ingredients: take formaldehyde as an example. There is more formaldehyde in one slice of a banana than there is in the combined total of formaldehyde in all vaccines administered from ages 0 - 6 of the US and UK schedule.

The argument that the schedule is too much for a child to handle is equally fallacious. Research has established that theoretically, a childs immune system could cope with upwards of 10,000 vaccines administered at once. The issue is really one of antigens and teh fact is that simply being alive subjects a person to more antigens than the entire vaccine schedule.

Its true that thiomersal is still in the optional, seasonal flu vaccine. But being logical it should be plain to see that when vaccines were largely removed from vaccines in 2001 we should’ve had a large, easy to see drop in the rate of autism diagnoses. This has not occurred.

The various vaccine aetiology hypotheses have been around for over 10 years now and so far there is not one piece of valid, peer reviewed, journal published science that supports any of them.

As parent to an autistic child myself, I would very much like to see research monies allocated to things that will make a tangible difference in my childs life. Education, adult housing, job creation, communication therapies. This cannot happen whilst we are still centred on these damaging and misleading hypotheses.</description>
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<p>I have an eight year old autistic child. I have blogged about autism news and science for over five years now. I can state with some degree of confidence that there is no link whatsoever between autism and vaccines.</p>
<p>I want to address a few canards I can see floating about.</p>
<p>The question of the vaccine ingredients: take formaldehyde as an example. There is more formaldehyde in one slice of a banana than there is in the combined total of formaldehyde in all vaccines administered from ages 0 - 6 of the US and UK schedule.</p>
<p>The argument that the schedule is too much for a child to handle is equally fallacious. Research has established that theoretically, a childs immune system could cope with upwards of 10,000 vaccines administered at once. The issue is really one of antigens and teh fact is that simply being alive subjects a person to more antigens than the entire vaccine schedule.</p>
<p>Its true that thiomersal is still in the optional, seasonal flu vaccine. But being logical it should be plain to see that when vaccines were largely removed from vaccines in 2001 we should’ve had a large, easy to see drop in the rate of autism diagnoses. This has not occurred.</p>
<p>The various vaccine aetiology hypotheses have been around for over 10 years now and so far there is not one piece of valid, peer reviewed, journal published science that supports any of them.</p>
<p>As parent to an autistic child myself, I would very much like to see research monies allocated to things that will make a tangible difference in my childs life. Education, adult housing, job creation, communication therapies. This cannot happen whilst we are still centred on these damaging and misleading hypotheses.</p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m a doctor and it&#8217;s true, I&#8217;m a clean-cut kid and I been to college, too &#124; A Free Man</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4742</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m a doctor and it&#8217;s true, I&#8217;m a clean-cut kid and I been to college, too &#124; A Free Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4742</guid>
		<description>[...] All the researching and posting and comment fielding that I&#8217;ve done about vaccinations and autism really got to me. Not because I had some nut job compare me to Hitler Nope, it was the thoughtful [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] All the researching and posting and comment fielding that I&#8217;ve done about vaccinations and autism really got to me. Not because I had some nut job compare me to Hitler Nope, it was the thoughtful [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Science Tuesday: Sugar Never Tasted So Good &#124; A Free Man</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4568</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Tuesday: Sugar Never Tasted So Good &#124; A Free Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4568</guid>
		<description>[...] kid or cheesy dad story or opinionated rant. But after the last Science Tuesday post that I wrote on autism, I got my first request. Not Afraid To Use Itsuggested that I take a look at artificial sweeteners, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] kid or cheesy dad story or opinionated rant. But after the last Science Tuesday post that I wrote on autism, I got my first request. Not Afraid To Use Itsuggested that I take a look at artificial sweeteners, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: jypsy</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4520</link>
		<dc:creator>jypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4520</guid>
		<description>&lt;I&gt;"This association led to the scare regarding the mercury containig thimerosal in the MMR vaccines."&lt;/I&gt;

Isn't, never was, mercury containing thimerosal in the MMR vaccines.

jypsys last blog post..&lt;a href="http://therunman.blogspot.com/2008/08/connaughton-shares-olympic-thoughts.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Connaughton shares Olympic thoughts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;This association led to the scare regarding the mercury containig thimerosal in the MMR vaccines.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t, never was, mercury containing thimerosal in the MMR vaccines.</p>
<p>jypsys last blog post..<a href="http://therunman.blogspot.com/2008/08/connaughton-shares-olympic-thoughts.html" rel="nofollow">Connaughton shares Olympic thoughts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curious Cat Science and Engineering Blog &#187; Autism and the MMR vaccine</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4430</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Cat Science and Engineering Blog &#187; Autism and the MMR vaccine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4430</guid>
		<description>[...] Science Tuesday: Back into the hornets nest is a thoughtful follow-up post on the decision of a scientist to vaccinate his child. Autism isn&#8217;t like tuberculosis, there&#8217;s not a bacteria that causes the disease. In fact,most researchers believe that “autism” is not a discrete disorder, rather “autism is a clinically defined pervasive developmental disorder with phenotypically diverse neuropsychiatric symptoms and characteristics. These manifest as a spectrum of social and communicative deficits, stereotypical patterns and disturbances of behaviour.”¹ &#8230; If a particular trait’s heritability is 100% then the trait is due entirely to genetic variation, if the heritability is 0% then the trait is due entirely to environmental variation. By some estimates, heritability of autism spectrum disorders exceeds 90% &#8230; repeated studies have found that autism diagnoses continue to rise even after the removal of thimerosal from the vaccine. &#8230; Finally, when thinking about the environmental influences on autism, it&#8217;s important to explore the role of the environment on genetics. Many of the types of genetic changes that have been identified as causative in autism are indicative of some sort of DNA damage - DNA damage that may result from exposure to an environmental toxin. Many scientists, and I count myself in their number, feel that the recent autism &#8216;epidemic&#8217; is due primarily to improved screening and diagnosis. In other words, prior to the 1980’s, many people suffering from autism were diagnosed as &#8220;slow&#8221; or misdiagnosed with another type of mental retardation. Unfortunately, there is no way to quantify this hypothesis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Science Tuesday: Back into the hornets nest is a thoughtful follow-up post on the decision of a scientist to vaccinate his child. Autism isn&#8217;t like tuberculosis, there&#8217;s not a bacteria that causes the disease. In fact,most researchers believe that “autism” is not a discrete disorder, rather “autism is a clinically defined pervasive developmental disorder with phenotypically diverse neuropsychiatric symptoms and characteristics. These manifest as a spectrum of social and communicative deficits, stereotypical patterns and disturbances of behaviour.”¹ &#8230; If a particular trait’s heritability is 100% then the trait is due entirely to genetic variation, if the heritability is 0% then the trait is due entirely to environmental variation. By some estimates, heritability of autism spectrum disorders exceeds 90% &#8230; repeated studies have found that autism diagnoses continue to rise even after the removal of thimerosal from the vaccine. &#8230; Finally, when thinking about the environmental influences on autism, it&#8217;s important to explore the role of the environment on genetics. Many of the types of genetic changes that have been identified as causative in autism are indicative of some sort of DNA damage - DNA damage that may result from exposure to an environmental toxin. Many scientists, and I count myself in their number, feel that the recent autism &#8216;epidemic&#8217; is due primarily to improved screening and diagnosis. In other words, prior to the 1980’s, many people suffering from autism were diagnosed as &#8220;slow&#8221; or misdiagnosed with another type of mental retardation. Unfortunately, there is no way to quantify this hypothesis. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4433</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4433</guid>
		<description>I also believe that "better screening" is a big factor in the number of children diagnosed as being on the "autism spectrum". I also believe that there's a genetic factor, and an environmental factor.

I never gave autism a second thought, until my close friends' son was diagnosed with it. That was when I started reading, and reading, and reading. Now that I've got a child... it scares the crap out of me.

While I don't disagree with the studies about MMR/Autism, I find myself wondering if studies have been done regarding "all vaccines combined"/autism. There are lots of ingredients, and it's anyone's guess if a combination of them can cause a regression into autism.

Maybe MMR can be considered safe, but by the time a child receives the MMR shot, they will (according to AAP Vaccine Schedule) already have received 22 other vaccinations. All that, within their first 12 months of life, is a lot for the system to handle. Sure, maybe they don't cause autism, but could there be a trigger somewhere in there?

There's all this talk about the fact that Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines since 2001, but that's not 100% true. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, babies should be given the flu vaccine at 6 months of age. The flu vaccine still has mercury containing Thimerosal as a preservative.

I know this post is really focusing on MMR/Autism, and I'm trying to tread very lightly, so I don't come across as argumentative. I just wanted to throw my 2 pennies out there.

I commend you for making posts on controversial topics, and I double commend you on having references to backup your comments. 2 thumbs up here.

&lt;em&gt;Joe's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://joegearhart.blogspot.com/2008/07/wheres-my-club-card.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;Where's my club card?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe that &#8220;better screening&#8221; is a big factor in the number of children diagnosed as being on the &#8220;autism spectrum&#8221;. I also believe that there&#8217;s a genetic factor, and an environmental factor.</p>
<p>I never gave autism a second thought, until my close friends&#8217; son was diagnosed with it. That was when I started reading, and reading, and reading. Now that I&#8217;ve got a child&#8230; it scares the crap out of me.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t disagree with the studies about MMR/Autism, I find myself wondering if studies have been done regarding &#8220;all vaccines combined&#8221;/autism. There are lots of ingredients, and it&#8217;s anyone&#8217;s guess if a combination of them can cause a regression into autism.</p>
<p>Maybe MMR can be considered safe, but by the time a child receives the MMR shot, they will (according to AAP Vaccine Schedule) already have received 22 other vaccinations. All that, within their first 12 months of life, is a lot for the system to handle. Sure, maybe they don&#8217;t cause autism, but could there be a trigger somewhere in there?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s all this talk about the fact that Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines since 2001, but that&#8217;s not 100% true. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, babies should be given the flu vaccine at 6 months of age. The flu vaccine still has mercury containing Thimerosal as a preservative.</p>
<p>I know this post is really focusing on MMR/Autism, and I&#8217;m trying to tread very lightly, so I don&#8217;t come across as argumentative. I just wanted to throw my 2 pennies out there.</p>
<p>I commend you for making posts on controversial topics, and I double commend you on having references to backup your comments. 2 thumbs up here.</p>
<p><em>Joe&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://joegearhart.blogspot.com/2008/07/wheres-my-club-card.html' rel="nofollow">Where&#8217;s my club card?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Science &#187; Earth Science Week, October 12-18, 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4432</link>
		<dc:creator>Science &#187; Earth Science Week, October 12-18, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4432</guid>
		<description>[...] Science Tuesday: Back into the hornets’ nestCall me a glutton for punishment, but despite the hornet&#8217;s nest that I wrote myself into a couple of weeks ago, I&#8217;ve a second post on autism for this Science Tuesday. The controversy over the MMR vaccine and the alleged links to autism &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Science Tuesday: Back into the hornets’ nestCall me a glutton for punishment, but despite the hornet&#8217;s nest that I wrote myself into a couple of weeks ago, I&#8217;ve a second post on autism for this Science Tuesday. The controversy over the MMR vaccine and the alleged links to autism &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Coal Miner's Granddaughter</title>
		<link>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Coal Miner's Granddaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afreeman.org/2008/07/15/science-tuesday-back-into-the-hornets-nest/#comment-4431</guid>
		<description>Awesome post, Chris. Some great information to chew on and I'll definitely refer this post and your previous autism post to friends and family. Thanks!

&lt;em&gt;Coal Miner's Granddaughter's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/coalminersgd/~3/335732412/postus-interruptus.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;Postus Interruptus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post, Chris. Some great information to chew on and I&#8217;ll definitely refer this post and your previous autism post to friends and family. Thanks!</p>
<p><em>Coal Miner&#8217;s Granddaughter&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/coalminersgd/~3/335732412/postus-interruptus.html' rel="nofollow">Postus Interruptus</a></em></p>
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