Comments on: Debating Dads http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/ An American Expatriate - Stepping Up From Down Under Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:17:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Toasty http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5352 Toasty Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:15:27 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5352 Ditto to what NATUI and Ray said. Palin just turns my stomach. Olympia Snowe (R. Senator from Maine) would have been a better choice for McCain. Hell, just about any woman in politics would have been a better choice for McCain. I know I'm late with my comment, but her actions over the past four days are disgusting. AAARGH!!! P.S. Please don't stop talking about politics on this blog! Toastys last blog post..<a href="http://myinnerteen.blogspot.com/2008/10/random-acts-of-cheapness.html" rel="nofollow">Random Acts of Cheapness</a> Ditto to what NATUI and Ray said. Palin just turns my stomach. Olympia Snowe (R. Senator from Maine) would have been a better choice for McCain. Hell, just about any woman in politics would have been a better choice for McCain. I know I’m late with my comment, but her actions over the past four days are disgusting. AAARGH!!!
P.S. Please don’t stop talking about politics on this blog!

Toastys last blog post..Random Acts of Cheapness

]]> By: admin http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5336 admin Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:07:41 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5336 Chris - I don't think Dad votes in Canada these days. I don't know if he pays much attention to what's going on up there. Chris - I don’t think Dad votes in Canada these days. I don’t know if he pays much attention to what’s going on up there.

]]> By: Chris in Saskatoon http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5331 Chris in Saskatoon Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:36:18 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5331 I didn't watch the debate ... missed it because the Canadian leaders debate was going head-to-head. Is your dad going to vote in that one? The choices there are equally uninspiring! I didn’t watch the debate … missed it because the Canadian leaders debate was going head-to-head. Is your dad going to vote in that one? The choices there are equally uninspiring!

]]> By: admin http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5320 admin Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:04:46 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5320 PIS - I heard Ifill on Meet the Press and got the feeling that she felt a little bit cowed by the b.s. that the Right threw up before the debate. Which is disappointing, because your question would have been a good one. Ariza - And she shan't give anymore until the election. Her job from now until Nov 4 is to spew vitriol to the base and help out congressional candidates. Headbang - Good to know the difference, so you weren't favorably comparing Palin to Hitler? ;) Jams - There used to be a Know Nothing party in the States. Meg - Hillary definitely had the better health care plan. I backed Obama in the primaries largely because I found him a more compelling politician, a movement leader potentially. And damn the U.S. needs a movement! MJRC - Yeah, the ear-mark slashing Maverick seemed to miss that 140 bil. Huh, what's that mean about his maverickness? SSG - I don't want to go for anything anywhere with Sarah Palin. The accent alone would drive me nuts. Courtney - I thought that George Bush was the worst kind of intellectually lazy. Then came Palin. FGIS - I wasn't shocked, just exasperated. The Right Blue - I know, nucular, how much longer do we have to listen to people mispronounce a not very difficult to pronounce word. PIS - I heard Ifill on Meet the Press and got the feeling that she felt a little bit cowed by the b.s. that the Right threw up before the debate. Which is disappointing, because your question would have been a good one.

Ariza - And she shan’t give anymore until the election. Her job from now until Nov 4 is to spew vitriol to the base and help out congressional candidates.

Headbang - Good to know the difference, so you weren’t favorably comparing Palin to Hitler? ;)

Jams - There used to be a Know Nothing party in the States.

Meg - Hillary definitely had the better health care plan. I backed Obama in the primaries largely because I found him a more compelling politician, a movement leader potentially. And damn the U.S. needs a movement!

MJRC - Yeah, the ear-mark slashing Maverick seemed to miss that 140 bil. Huh, what’s that mean about his maverickness?

SSG - I don’t want to go for anything anywhere with Sarah Palin. The accent alone would drive me nuts.

Courtney - I thought that George Bush was the worst kind of intellectually lazy. Then came Palin.

FGIS - I wasn’t shocked, just exasperated.

The Right Blue - I know, nucular, how much longer do we have to listen to people mispronounce a not very difficult to pronounce word.

]]> By: courtney http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5304 courtney Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:22:37 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5304 I think it would have been near impossible for Palin not to exceed expectations. The only way she could have done worse than the Couric interview would have been to punch Biden in the face, endorse terrorism, or vomit. I actually thought Biden was near flawless too, especially in his "McCain's not really a maverick" tirade. He could have corrected her on several occasions -- the General McClellan thing (ha), "nu-cue-lar," etc., etc. But he didn't, and that's why he didn't come off as a bully, although he easily could have. What worries me about Palin is not so much that she didn't know how to answer the questions posed, but that she seems to NOT CARE that she didn't know how to answer the questions posed. Anyone can learn about foreign policy or the economy, but in order to attain the expertise (theoretically) required of a vice president, you have to have a little genuine intellectual curiosity about those things. I don't think she does, and that's what scares me. As for the folksy talk, is that the kind of straight talk we Americans crave? I think not. Answer the damn questions. I think it would have been near impossible for Palin not to exceed expectations. The only way she could have done worse than the Couric interview would have been to punch Biden in the face, endorse terrorism, or vomit.

I actually thought Biden was near flawless too, especially in his “McCain’s not really a maverick” tirade. He could have corrected her on several occasions — the General McClellan thing (ha), “nu-cue-lar,” etc., etc. But he didn’t, and that’s why he didn’t come off as a bully, although he easily could have.

What worries me about Palin is not so much that she didn’t know how to answer the questions posed, but that she seems to NOT CARE that she didn’t know how to answer the questions posed. Anyone can learn about foreign policy or the economy, but in order to attain the expertise (theoretically) required of a vice president, you have to have a little genuine intellectual curiosity about those things. I don’t think she does, and that’s what scares me.

As for the folksy talk, is that the kind of straight talk we Americans crave? I think not. Answer the damn questions.

]]> By: The Right Blue http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5300 The Right Blue Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:55:39 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5300 My point of view is closely aligned with what Ray expressed above. I think it was Fareed Zakaria who pointed out in a recent Washington Post op-ed that the problem with Sarah Palin is not so much her answers to questions -- rather, it's that she clearly doesn't understand the questions in the first place. I don't believe she is capable of cogently answering a question on any consequential issue spontaneously. I don't think she has a well-formed independent thought about anything outside the limited sphere from whence she came. I fear her understanding of many essential domains is painfully superficial, e.g., economics, constitutional law, international relations, history -- critical thinking... I shudder to think of her engaging in conversation -- much less attempting serious negotiation -- with just about any world leader. And with McCain already 72 years of age, and having had cancer more than once, that "heartbeat away" cliche seems more relevant than at any time in recent memory. And finally, call me petty or pedantic, but I do want to mention (in case you missed it) that Palin said "Nu-cue-lar" several times during the so-called debate. (It wasn't really a debate; it was a recitation.) Where have we heard "nu-cue-lar" before, hmmm? Bobbie The Right Blues last blog post..<a href="http://therightblue.com/2008/10/fish-tales-encounters-with-napoleon.html" rel="nofollow">Fish Tales: Encounters with the Napoleon Wrasse</a> My point of view is closely aligned with what Ray expressed above.

I think it was Fareed Zakaria who pointed out in a recent Washington Post op-ed that the problem with Sarah Palin is not so much her answers to questions — rather, it’s that she clearly doesn’t understand the questions in the first place.

I don’t believe she is capable of cogently answering a question on any consequential issue spontaneously. I don’t think she has a well-formed independent thought about anything outside the limited sphere from whence she came. I fear her understanding of many essential domains is painfully superficial, e.g., economics, constitutional law, international relations, history — critical thinking…

I shudder to think of her engaging in conversation — much less attempting serious negotiation — with just about any world leader. And with McCain already 72 years of age, and having had cancer more than once, that “heartbeat away” cliche seems more relevant than at any time in recent memory.

And finally, call me petty or pedantic, but I do want to mention (in case you missed it) that Palin said “Nu-cue-lar” several times during the so-called debate. (It wasn’t really a debate; it was a recitation.) Where have we heard “nu-cue-lar” before, hmmm?

Bobbie

The Right Blues last blog post..Fish Tales: Encounters with the Napoleon Wrasse

]]> By: Florida Girl In Sydney http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5299 Florida Girl In Sydney Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:44:53 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5299 When Palin said she was going to talk about what she wanted regardless of what the moderator or Biden wanted I was shocked-- hmmm, is this a debate or a speech on energy? Florida Girl In Sydneys last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FloridaGirlInSydney/~3/408775331/halloween-in-australia-not-so-fun.html" rel="nofollow">Halloween Fun In Australia, Not So Much</a> When Palin said she was going to talk about what she wanted regardless of what the moderator or Biden wanted I was shocked– hmmm, is this a debate or a speech on energy?

Florida Girl In Sydneys last blog post..Halloween Fun In Australia, Not So Much

]]> By: SSG http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5298 SSG Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:12:40 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5298 man, ure dad's Canadian? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Also does it matter if Palin doesnt know about economics, socialism, how to run a government. She knows about Hockey, and isn't that what's important. I didnt watch the debate as I think something like the X factor was on telly. Or I was washing my hair. Some of my friends are asking why is the American election getting so much coverage abroad, and I think because whatever happens there is going to affect what happens in the world in a big way, cos that's the nature of US politics. Sorry NZ, but if you had a presidential race, I don't think I would even know. A free man, would you really want to go for a beer with Palin? She would do my nut and in, and I would want to mess her hair up. man, ure dad’s Canadian? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Also does it matter if Palin doesnt know about economics, socialism, how to run a government. She knows about Hockey, and isn’t that what’s important. I didnt watch the debate as I think something like the X factor was on telly. Or I was washing my hair. Some of my friends are asking why is the American election getting so much coverage abroad, and I think because whatever happens there is going to affect what happens in the world in a big way, cos that’s the nature of US politics. Sorry NZ, but if you had a presidential race, I don’t think I would even know.
A free man, would you really want to go for a beer with Palin? She would do my nut and in, and I would want to mess her hair up.

]]> By: mjrc http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5289 mjrc Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:17:04 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5289 what is that phrase that george bush used to say--the soft bigotry of low expectations? well, could the bar have been set any lower for palin to rise above in order to call her debate a success? i don't think so. the good news now that the v.p. debate is over is that the focus will shift back to mccain and obama, and hopefully to the real issues at hand. like, how come mccain supported the bailout bill when it had $140 billion in pork attached to it? i thought if there was one thing he was going to stand against it was pork-barrel earmarks?? not that i expect any politician to do everything he says he will all the time, but this is a "fundamental" part of his message. oh well! so much for principles, etc. i feel hopeful about the election, i really do. i know we still have 30 days to go but i just don't see how mccain can pull it out at this point. have you read this article? it says what i feel about obama and the election so well: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081003/cm_csm/ymartin mjrcs last blog post..<a href="http://lostinyourinbox.blog-city.com/you_can_keep_your_yellow_cars.htm" rel="nofollow">You Can Keep Your Yellow Cars</a> what is that phrase that george bush used to say–the soft bigotry of low expectations? well, could the bar have been set any lower for palin to rise above in order to call her debate a success? i don’t think so.

the good news now that the v.p. debate is over is that the focus will shift back to mccain and obama, and hopefully to the real issues at hand.

like, how come mccain supported the bailout bill when it had $140 billion in pork attached to it? i thought if there was one thing he was going to stand against it was pork-barrel earmarks?? not that i expect any politician to do everything he says he will all the time, but this is a “fundamental” part of his message. oh well! so much for principles, etc.

i feel hopeful about the election, i really do. i know we still have 30 days to go but i just don’t see how mccain can pull it out at this point.

have you read this article? it says what i feel about obama and the election so well:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081003/cm_csm/ymartin

mjrcs last blog post..You Can Keep Your Yellow Cars

]]> By: mjrc http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5288 mjrc Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:16:19 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/10/04/debating-dads/#comment-5288 what is that phrase that george bush used to say--the soft bigotry of low expectations? well, could the bar have been set any lower for palin to rise above in order to call her debate a success? i don't think so. the good news now that the v.p. debate is over is that the focus will shift back to mccain and obama, and hopefully to the real issues at hand. like, how come mccain supported the bailout bill when it had $140 billion in pork attached to it? i thought if there was one thing he was going to stand against it was pork-barrel earmarks?? not that i expect any politician to do everything he says he will all the time, but this is a "fundamental" part of his message. oh well! so much for principles, etc. i feel hopeful about the election, i really do. i know we still have 30 days to go but i just don't see how mccain can pull it out at this point. have you read this article? it says what i feel about obama and the election so well: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081003/cm_csm/ymartin what is that phrase that george bush used to say–the soft bigotry of low expectations? well, could the bar have been set any lower for palin to rise above in order to call her debate a success? i don’t think so.

the good news now that the v.p. debate is over is that the focus will shift back to mccain and obama, and hopefully to the real issues at hand.

like, how come mccain supported the bailout bill when it had $140 billion in pork attached to it? i thought if there was one thing he was going to stand against it was pork-barrel earmarks?? not that i expect any politician to do everything he says he will all the time, but this is a “fundamental” part of his message. oh well! so much for principles, etc.

i feel hopeful about the election, i really do. i know we still have 30 days to go but i just don’t see how mccain can pull it out at this point.

have you read this article? it says what i feel about obama and the election so well:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081003/cm_csm/ymartin

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