Teaching kids that were born the year I graduated from high school is sometimes a slightly demoralizing experience. I like to consider myself a relatively “cool” guy – down with the kids, so to speak. But nearly every day my students come up with some bit of slang that just mystifies it entirely. Clearly they aren’t as awed in my presence as they should be or they would be speaking in proper English. After all, I am a university lecturer. I guess the sad fact is, that I’m just getting old. Verging on that stereotypical aging hipster that you generally find in “Modern Poetry” classrooms at liberal arts universities.
I haven’t been doing much of it lately (primarily because it requires more work than posting pictures of Boy Z or vitriol about the Sunshine State), but I do like to feature new music on this site. I tend to be pretty receptive to new music, and a lot of my favorite acts are made up of musicians that aren’t much older than my students. But a lot of times, and I cringe as I say this, I just don’t get it. Like emo, the much maligned musical and fashion trend that “these kids today” are inclined toward. Thing is, I don’t really understand emo, truthfully I don’t even know what it is.
The other day, Andrew at Concrete Circles posted a review of Joie De Vivre – a Rockford, Illinois emo band. Sensing an opportunity, I left a comment for Andrew professing my ignorance regarding the nature of “emo”. This elicited an e-mail from Patrick Delehanty, Joie De Vivre’s guitarist, who politely (with the tone that one uses with aging aunties) offered to explain it to me. What a lovely young man.
Patrick was kind enough to sit down on A Free Man’s virtual couch to explain the emo movement in music to me and all my fogey readers:
AFM: I hate to put you in the position to be the spokesman for a genre, but what the hell is emo, really?
PD: There are a lot of misconceptions about what emo is. It’s supposed to music that’s emotional, which to us isn’t really a fair description. Honestly, that’s a pretty big umbrella to place over a genre. Almost anything that’s not a Top 40 single could, by this definition, be “Emo”. But we suppose that’s why the term is used so loosely to describe a band.
AFM: What are the roots of the genre? In your music, I hear a lot of the post-grunge bands of the mid-90s (Built to Spill, maybe a bit of early Modest Mouse or Yo La Tengo), but with a lot more dissonance and atonality. Who are the forefathers of emo?
PD: The roots of the genre go back to the mid-eighties. The term emo became synonymous with the whole post-punk movement (most notably the whole Ian MacKaye/Dischord records scene). The genre back then was quite different to the one most recognize now. It was a lot more raw, honest, and socially aware than the poppy cookie cutter stuff we see on MTV with the label. Later on, bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, The Promise Ring, and Jawbreaker ushered in a more popular (and in our opinion: the best) version of what the genre should be. Now it seems to be taken over by things we always referred to as pop punk which seems a little ridiculous. We should also mention the whole screamo thing here… it’s a real shame that something so lame and fashion based was born from something so honest.
AFM: Another thing I don’t understand is why emo gets slagged off by the music press so much. Is it just aging hipsters like me who don’t get it? Or is there a legitimate beef?
PD: The music industry is very quick to judge all things emo (especially the more traditional style) as being whiny, pretentious, and drony. But, it always seemed more honest and meaningful to us than most “popular” styles of music. Emo music gets shunned by the press because it’s not trendy.
AFM: Do you bristle at the emo label being applied to your band?
PD: Not at all. Most people that like what we do either aren’t too put off by the label or have a firm grasp as to what real emo music was and still is; we’re happy to be influenced by actual emo, and we’re proud to write through it’s great influences.
AFM: OK, enough emo. Let’s find out a little about you guys.. How did Joie De Vivre come to be?
PD: Brandon, Chris, and Steve were in a band for awhile together, which broke apart in September 2007 and wanted to start something a little more traditional, along the lines with their styles. They knew Pat and Zach for awhile from other bands. It really wasn’t a difficult thing. Things fell into place pretty easily.
AFM: You’re a quintet from Rockford, Illinois with one EP under your belt. Where do you go from here?
PD: We’re almost done with our first full length, tentively called “The North End”, we hope to have it done by the end of the year. And hopefully a tour this summer. Things are pretty difficult without a label and it’s hard to keep everything balanced. None of us have degrees and we all have terrible part time jobs so money is always an issue with us. It’s hard to book all your own shows (tours included) and still have a budget for recording and merch. But we’ll see where things go. We’ve been getting a lot a decent press lately and hopefully things will get bigger and better once we finish this record.
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So, there you go gentle readers. Check out a couple of tracks from Joie De Vivre’s latest EP. I’ve got to go and listen to some Dad Rock and work on this ear hair now.
If you like Joie De Vivre’s music, buy their EP, “The Ghost of Kennedy Hill Road” here.
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by NATUI
28 Oct 2008 at 08:38
Oh god. THANK you for this post. I haven’t had a fucking clue each time I’ve heard “Emo” bandied about. Though I am still probably considered too old to be hip in the eyes of emo fans, I’m glad to know at least what the hell it references.
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by ssg
28 Oct 2008 at 09:29
All I know bout emo is the fashion they wear… and i knew bout the emotional thing, but really, what band aint emo? So it’s hard for me to listen to something and define it, pretty much like a lot of musical genres. What are the characteristics that bind emo bands or music together? Jazz, I can pretty much recognise, but emo- can we have more examples please? cool bout interview though, haven’d had any of those in a while. more please. Man its 12.00 just changed from 1.00 here so i’m knacked. Night night from the UK
by ms picket to you
28 Oct 2008 at 09:35
i liked it so much better when it was indie rock, hip hop and crap. then again, i wrote an entire thesis in college on how it’s the ways modern youth cultures are divided that makes them so strong.
this helped me mucho, but I still feel… old.
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by Rambling Canuck
28 Oct 2008 at 15:10
Excellent post! And thanks for sharing the tunes. Good stuff. I also know what you mean by feeling a bit old these days. It was tough about five years ago for me, but now – with kids of my own – I’m totally the grumpy old man now, and embracing it.
by arizaphale
28 Oct 2008 at 19:58
Well, I teach a bunch of kids who will tell you all about what they think of ‘emo’ and none of it is complimentary. It seems that the emo kids are seen as attention seekers and saddos by the rank and file. Of course,in my humble experience, emo is more about the look than the music but wtf would I know? After all, in the words of one of MY students recently;
“So Miss, your backpacking trip around Europe, was that after the cooling of the crust?”
Pretentious little smartarse.
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by courtney
29 Oct 2008 at 01:54
I’ve wondered for a long time what “emo” really means. Thanks for the explanation, AFM and Patrick.
by headbang8
29 Oct 2008 at 02:19
AFM, YOU are emo. What we used to cal a sensitive soul.
Is the modern unemo mainstream so shallow that they think legitimate sadness deserves mockery rather than understanding?
by Coal Miner's Granddaughter
29 Oct 2008 at 04:22
Thanks, hon, for posting this interview. I kept seeing “emo” references on the Web and had NO idea what emo is. Now? I know. And now? I feel old.
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by Jessica K
29 Oct 2008 at 04:32
I had never heard the word “emo” until I had a sleepover for my neice’s birthday. All her little girlfriends would throw comments around like, “Kayla, you’re so emo.” When I asked what emo was, they couldn’t really tell me. “You know, they’re like always moody and dress in black. The guys are all bi and wear makeup.” Ummm… ok. This explanation makes much more sense.
I finally understand a year or two late.
by admin
29 Oct 2008 at 07:10
NATUI – We’re all too old to be hip.
SSG – I think that’s what confused me, music by definition is emotional. But I guess emo is REALLLLLLY emotional.
Ms Picket – What kind of degree did you get?!?
Rambling Canuck – It’s our due as dads.
Ariza – That’s cause Australians are so butch. No room for thought or emotion. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi, Oi, Oi!
Courteny – Your welcome.
Headbang – Are you calling me a homo?
CMGD – As I’ve said, we’re the same age so if you’re old, I guess I am too. Sigh.
JK – “The guys are bi and wear makeup.” Bout sums it up. Patrick, why didn’t you just say that?
by Bluestreak
30 Oct 2008 at 03:12
good, now i don´t feel so bad for having looked up the term “emo” on urbandictionary.com a few weeks ago. I don´t get it either.
by Andrew
30 Oct 2008 at 05:09
Oh God, look what I started. Who knew that a simple post about a random band I heard about would start you on your journey to discover the mystery of emo?
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by admin
30 Oct 2008 at 07:11
Bluestreak – I love urban dictionary.
Andrew – That’s how the internet works!