Comments on: The dark cloud always waiting for you. http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/ Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:53:41 +1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: BE http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6124 BE Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:35:34 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6124 First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945 First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

]]> By: BE http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6123 BE Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:08:49 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6123 WOW! You hit the nail on the head dead center. I agree with 100% of what you said (always a rarity in politics). I am no fan of Obama, but am a fan of freedom. Agree with his politics or not you have to feel good that the better candidate won regardless of race. Though I don't support McCain anymore than I do Obama, it is hard for me to imagine supporting his waffling, "let's mirror the democrats" campaign. Seriously, I don't know who is worse, one who openly embraces Socialism (while acting like it is a dirty word) or "THAT one" whose position is too weak to defined against it like his party line once did. Frankly, I was disappointed that the margin of victory wasn't higher than it was. Seriously, if Barack had been all white (with a "more American friendly" name) can you imagine that he would have drawn less than 60% of the popular vote? Don't let this Pyrrhic victory fool you, racism is alive and well in this country. But even our next VP did a horrid job in the debate defending gay rights. He said yes, they should be entitled to the same CIVIL rights as hetero couples, but they shouldn't be "married". What role does the government have in married other than a CIVIL role? Would everyone be happy if we allowed gays to get "fairied". Gay rights will be the flag for our children to wave - and they will. We shall overcome, Thanks for the great insight and post. I guess it takes someone living out of country to have a world view. WOW! You hit the nail on the head dead center. I agree with 100% of what you said (always a rarity in politics). I am no fan of Obama, but am a fan of freedom. Agree with his politics or not you have to feel good that the better candidate won regardless of race. Though I don’t support McCain anymore than I do Obama, it is hard for me to imagine supporting his waffling, “let’s mirror the democrats” campaign. Seriously, I don’t know who is worse, one who openly embraces Socialism (while acting like it is a dirty word) or “THAT one” whose position is too weak to defined against it like his party line once did.

Frankly, I was disappointed that the margin of victory wasn’t higher than it was. Seriously, if Barack had been all white (with a “more American friendly” name) can you imagine that he would have drawn less than 60% of the popular vote? Don’t let this Pyrrhic victory fool you, racism is alive and well in this country.

But even our next VP did a horrid job in the debate defending gay rights. He said yes, they should be entitled to the same CIVIL rights as hetero couples, but they shouldn’t be “married”. What role does the government have in married other than a CIVIL role? Would everyone be happy if we allowed gays to get “fairied”. Gay rights will be the flag for our children to wave – and they will. We shall overcome,

Thanks for the great insight and post. I guess it takes someone living out of country to have a world view.

]]> By: maggie, dammit http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6116 maggie, dammit Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:24:12 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6116 I'm way behind obviously, but yes. YES. It was such a bittersweet victory. What the hell does it all mean? maggie, dammits last blog post..<a href="http://okayfinedammit.com/?p=2589" rel="nofollow">Violence Unsilenced</a> I’m way behind obviously, but yes. YES.

It was such a bittersweet victory. What the hell does it all mean?

maggie, dammits last blog post..Violence Unsilenced

]]> By: arizaphale http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6040 arizaphale Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:45:22 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6040 negative nigel perhaps? arizaphales last blog post..<a href="http://arizaphale.blogspot.com/2008/11/obligatory-post-for-day-zzzzzzz.html" rel="nofollow">Obligatory Post For The Day zzzzzzz</a> negative nigel perhaps?

arizaphales last blog post..Obligatory Post For The Day zzzzzzz

]]> By: mongoliangirl http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6038 mongoliangirl Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:53:15 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6038 Indeed. Bittersweet indeed. I still have hope. One small step at a time. And, as you know, I proudly voted for Mel Carnahan (yes, he was pushin' up daisies at the time) over John Ashcroft. Elated when the dead guy won! Only to be mortified a few weeks later when Bush appointed him Atty. Gen. Seriously! If he can't beat the dead guy, maybe he's just not up for it! mongoliangirls last blog post..<a href="http://thecusp.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/look-theres-lint-on-your-shoe/" rel="nofollow">Look! There’s lint on your shoe!</a> Indeed. Bittersweet indeed. I still have hope. One small step at a time. And, as you know, I proudly voted for Mel Carnahan (yes, he was pushin’ up daisies at the time) over John Ashcroft. Elated when the dead guy won! Only to be mortified a few weeks later when Bush appointed him Atty. Gen. Seriously! If he can’t beat the dead guy, maybe he’s just not up for it!

mongoliangirls last blog post..Look! There’s lint on your shoe!

]]> By: Florida Girl In Sydney http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6037 Florida Girl In Sydney Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:52:18 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6037 I cried reading your post, and I whole heartedly agree with everything you've said-- except the part about Alaska, if they left the union I would be very sad-- it's my favorite state. Florida Girl In Sydneys last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FloridaGirlInSydney/~3/444435626/does-anybody-out-there-even-care.html" rel="nofollow">Does Anybody Out There Even Care?</a> I cried reading your post, and I whole heartedly agree with everything you’ve said– except the part about Alaska, if they left the union I would be very sad– it’s my favorite state.

Florida Girl In Sydneys last blog post..Does Anybody Out There Even Care?

]]> By: admin http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6032 admin Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:48:37 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6032 April - I guess I just don't understand. Why is it such a big deal if gays and lesbians can get married? Does it make a heterosexual marriage less significant if we extend the same rights to gays? Are people that insecure. It's fear and hatred, the same way that racism or sexism is. Headbang - I thought you may have some feelings about this. Why isn't nelly PC? How about negative nancy? Is that better? ;) Topcat - How cool! (The dog.) Ours has come with with us from the States via Britain. I think he's tired of moving. Kathy - Don't get me wrong, I feel the same way as you about the Obama victory. I'm just disappointed that in a year of change, we can't make this change. Even in California! June - The shining light of the right to die, eh? ;) But Gypsy, the moral majority had some wins. Jams - I don't envy the mess he's been left. We Be Toys - My son was born in Britain, but is a natural born citizen constitutionally. John McCain was born in Panama, but is a natural born citizen constitutionally. I don't think it's going to get far whatever the truth. April – I guess I just don’t understand. Why is it such a big deal if gays and lesbians can get married? Does it make a heterosexual marriage less significant if we extend the same rights to gays? Are people that insecure. It’s fear and hatred, the same way that racism or sexism is.

Headbang – I thought you may have some feelings about this. Why isn’t nelly PC? How about negative nancy? Is that better? ;)

Topcat – How cool! (The dog.) Ours has come with with us from the States via Britain. I think he’s tired of moving.

Kathy – Don’t get me wrong, I feel the same way as you about the Obama victory. I’m just disappointed that in a year of change, we can’t make this change. Even in California!

June – The shining light of the right to die, eh? ;)

But Gypsy, the moral majority had some wins.

Jams – I don’t envy the mess he’s been left.

We Be Toys – My son was born in Britain, but is a natural born citizen constitutionally. John McCain was born in Panama, but is a natural born citizen constitutionally. I don’t think it’s going to get far whatever the truth.

]]> By: we_be_toys http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6030 we_be_toys Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:28:24 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6030 There are always those who would point out the grey cloud on the horizon of a beautiful sunrise. There will always be haters in every country, not just in the US. I'm proud of how many of us actually did vote for the man who represents the turning of the bigotry tide. Doesn't mean it won't still be there, festering, but maybe we can get some good work done in spite of them? (Oh, oh! Have you heard the scuttle on the grapevine from the disgruntled Republicans, about how Obama might not be an American citizen? That he only went to Hawaii to get his birth certificate, not to see his dying grandmother? That's what I'm talking about man - just like plutonium, hate has a hell of a shelf life!) There are always those who would point out the grey cloud on the horizon of a beautiful sunrise. There will always be haters in every country, not just in the US. I’m proud of how many of us actually did vote for the man who represents the turning of the bigotry tide. Doesn’t mean it won’t still be there, festering, but maybe we can get some good work done in spite of them?

(Oh, oh! Have you heard the scuttle on the grapevine from the disgruntled Republicans, about how Obama might not be an American citizen? That he only went to Hawaii to get his birth certificate, not to see his dying grandmother? That’s what I’m talking about man – just like plutonium, hate has a hell of a shelf life!)

]]> By: jams O'Donnell http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6027 jams O'Donnell Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:37:10 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6027 Wht a momentous day it was. I only hope he can live up to a fraction of expectations then he will have done well. jams O'Donnells last blog post..<a href="http://thepoormouth.blogspot.com/2008/11/british-wwi-veteran-dies.html" rel="nofollow">British WWI veteran dies</a> Wht a momentous day it was. I only hope he can live up to a fraction of expectations then he will have done well.

jams O’Donnells last blog post..British WWI veteran dies

]]> By: Gypsy http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-6022 Gypsy Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:38:07 +0000 http://www.afreeman.org/2008/11/06/the-dark-cloud-always-waiting-for-you/#comment-6022 I was so disappointed in those items, too. Two steps forward, one step still in the shit, I guess. This win gives me faith, though, that a judgment has been made against the so-called moral majority. I hope. I was so disappointed in those items, too. Two steps forward, one step still in the shit, I guess. This win gives me faith, though, that a judgment has been made against the so-called moral majority. I hope.

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