The company that I write for has a number of American clients. Yesterday at work two of my co-workers were in my office talking about one of them that is giving us a bit of trouble. One of them said, “Well, you know how the Americans are – rather, ru…”, and then as she glanced at me with a look of sheepish recognition, “…uh, direct.” Followed immediately with an apology, assurances that she didn’t mean all Americans, and so on.
But I’m pretty used to this kind of thing. As an American expatriate this is a common – and in this case, rather innocuous – type of exchange. My co-workers, colleagues, friends and random acquaintances often forget that I’m an American. I endeavor to be, with apologies to Graham Greene, a quiet American. Having made the decision to be a permanent expatriate – a migrant – I try hard to fit in to the culture that I’ve chosen. I don’t fit the caricature of the typical American that most of my colleagues have in their heads, so it’s easy for them to forget my citizenship and to express their true feelings about we Yanks in casual conversation.
A question I often get from my readers when describing these sometimes frustrating encounters is “Is that really what they think of us?” I always try to make people feel better. “No, only some of them. It’s not really that bad”, I soothe. The grim reality is that, in general, people in the countries which I have visited or lived do not like Americans. There are exceptions – the occasional Americanophile, the folks that have lived in the States or met a number of American expats – but most of the rest of the Western world have quite strong feelings of antipathy toward us. The exchange I described at the beginning of this post is a mild one. The worst are when I’m faced with a strong-willed local and asked to justify American culture – one that I’m not really that happy with myself – or lectured at length about the wrongs perpetrated on the world by the U.S.A.
This is based in large part on our nation’s behavior in the last eight years. George Bush’s sledgehammer-as-diplomacy has alienated many of our allies. But it runs deeper than that. If you read the comments on my last post, a lot of non-Americans recoil at the spread of American culture and consumerism. This new brand of commercial imperialism has been more pervasive than Bush’s military incursions in the Middle East. The rest of the world is angry that there are probably only two or three countries in the world that lack a McDonalds, the fact that American chain stores have moved into Europe and Australia – cutting down local businesses in their wake. People in Perth, Manchester and Galway are disgusted that most of their television and movies now come with an American accent. Folks in Aberdeen and Adelaide are angry that American-style privitization of public services has gotten them more expensive and lower quality services.
Unfortunately it’s not just our political and economic policies. If you asked someone on the streets of York, Darwin or Christchurch what they thought of when they thought of an average American they would use words like fat, obnoxious, close-minded, high-maintenance, and – above all – ignorant. If you asked that same person how many Americans they knew, how many were in their close social circle, they would likely say zero to two. So where does this impression come from? TV, movies and tourists.
You see, we are doing ourselves a disservice. By exporting our crap television and our increasingly derivative movies, we are presenting an image of ourselves to the rest of the world that does not reflect reality. The bilge that we’re spewing into the world – and not just the environmental toxins – are a source of a lot of resentment from the rest of the world. Are Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Brittany Spears typical Americans? What about Bill O’Reilly, Neil Cavuto, Keith Olbermann and Ann Coulter? What about George Bush, Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin? Are any of these people like you or me? The tourist thing is a tricky one. I find a lot of my fellow Americans annoying when I run across them as tourists. There seems to be something in our psyche (the British are guilty of this as well) that demands that when visiting a foreign country it be as similar to our home as possible. What this means is that we get the reputation, fairly in my experience, of being loud, intractable, demanding and
But enough self-loathing. Here’s the thing, the thing that you (if you’re an American reading this blog) and I already know – we’re getting a bad rap. There are Americans that fit the stereotype – absolutely. I’ve met them. I’ve seen them in the Wal-Mart, yelling across the shop at their kids, waddling through the aisles filled with giant bags of potato chips in “No Spin Zone” or “These Colors Don’t Run” t-shirts, clinging desperately to their jiggling mounds of fat. You see them on the news – the media loves the extremes – you see them parodied in films and on the TV. But stereotypes are a dangerous thing. For example, if you based your opinion of Australians on what you’ve seen on films and TV you may think that Steve Irwin or Mick Dundee or The Sheepherders were typical Aussie blokes. Based on TV and movies, the streets of London would be populated with Mr. Beans, Edwinas and Pattys and Simon Cowells.
And this is what I find frustrating about living abroad – stereotypes. I’ve got as good a sense of humor as anyone, and if I’m talking to someone who has spent time in the States or has American friends, then I’m happy to play around with the stereotypes and throw them right back in their face. We used to have a great time in my lab in Oxford teasing each other about cultural stereotypes. With people from seven or eight different countries (depending on whether you consider Scotland a country) there was ample material to work with. But, when confronted with people that have never set foot in the United States, have never spent time with Americans yet have firm ideas about what we are like and who we are – that’s not in good fun. That is dealing with ignorance and ignorance is something for which I have very little tolerance, regardless of citizenship. I had a friend in Oxford who used to say that when you found something that you didn’t like in another person – “if you spot it, you got it”. In other words, we dislike in others what we dislike in ourselves. I think that this applies to this whole national psyche debate. Australians are getting fatter – blame the Americans pushing McDonalds down their throats. Brits are getting irrevocably into debt – blame the loose American-style credit regulations.
There is an old cliché about familiarity breeding contempt. I think the converse is true here. Dr. O’C said it well in her comment on the last post – her experience in America gave her greater respect for Americans. My experience in Britain gave me greater respect for the wealth and depth of British culture. Meeting, working with and making friends with normal people from different countries has helped me transcend my personal stereotypes and prejudices about those nationalities. The only way to get past a stereotype or a prejudiced opinion is to get to know the people about whom you’ve formed a false opinion. That being the case, I’m like a frickin’ cultural ambassador for the U.S.A. – traveling the world showing just how mild-mannered, thoughtful, intelligent and modest Americans really are. I think that the State Department should consider giving me a stipend for spreading the truth about Americans – that we’re not all that different than anyone else – no better and certainly no worse.
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by Father Muskrat
08 Jan 2009 at 11:40
I had conversations like this with a thin, bearded gay man in an international arbitration class I took in Austria several years ago. We were sitting in Vienna looking at a group of students who’d come with us and were talking about how much they stuck out from the locals: they were obese; they were loud; they didn’t dress worth a damn. You know, pretty much like what you described. The locals loved taking our money, of course (it was 2000, back when our dollar was worth something), and they tolerated us. However, Bob and I found ourselves apologizing sometimes for the behavior the locals saw in the rest of our group.
In any event, I don’t think our politicians shape the opinion of us in the eyes of the average resident in these other countries, but the media and the traveling tourists certainly do. Ah well, not everyone from the States can be as damned perfect as we are. I think that’s the point we’re really trying to get across, right?
I won’t even take the time to continue with my experiences with the general populace when I was AWOL in Iraq here.
by Jeff Atkinson
08 Jan 2009 at 11:42
Hi,
I’m just getting started with my new blog. Would you want to exchange links on our blog-rolls?
BTW – I’m up to about 100 visitors per day.
by Prefers Her Fantasy Life
08 Jan 2009 at 11:49
When I was in Vietnam, many years ago before Clinton opened up relations there, it was odd that most of the folks on the street were saying, America Number 1. I think people have a love/hate relationship with Americans. I noticed similar sentiments when I lived in Tokyo.
And quite frankly, one reason I couch surf and am a member of other organizations that arrange meetings between different peoples, is that it allows one to get to know the “real” people in a place.
And speaking of people, you made my list of top ten bloggy crushes on today’s post.
And speaking of crushes, love the Tweedy title of your post.
by barbara
08 Jan 2009 at 11:51
What is it about travelling that brings out the worst in people. Australians also have a bad image in the UK and other places. Our young people get up to things they would think twice about at home. You get a group of travellers together from UK, US or Australia, even Europe and they become obnoxious, but on the own they are wonderful. It seems people from Asia are better mannered as a group than from the west. What does that say about western culture.
by admin
08 Jan 2009 at 12:58
Father Muskrat – Are you comparing me to a thin, bearded, gay guy? Because I’m not so thin these days, nor am I wearing a beard. Just saying.
You got the point perfectly – it’s Americans like you and I that should represent our great nation. Let’s call Barack.
I’d love to hear the AWOL in Baghdad story.
Prefers – Flattery will get you everywhere. As to Vietnam – I’m not sure this is the case, but I’ve been to lots of places where people just love Americans because we’re perceived as having lots of money to spend on trinkets.
Barbara – I reckon it’s the mentality that if you don’t have to clean up the mess than what the hell – go crazy. I’d never heard bad things about Aussie tourists until I got here, but now it seems like they’re competing with the Brits for most drunk holidaygoers.
by headbang8
08 Jan 2009 at 19:13
Maybe, just maybe, consider the fact that the rest of the world might actually be right. Just imagine what it would be like if more than 15% of Americans held a passport.
I yearn to reply to this at greater length, AFM. But cannot right now.
by SSG
08 Jan 2009 at 20:03
headbang, when you gonny reply to AFM posts? the last few i’ve read you seem to say you want to write but can’t…. please write it will be cool!
Anyways, yeah, most Brits I know say they dislike Americans. Ask them why and they will say they’re fat, loud, rude, and probably stupid. We get to see the comedy shows where they ask American to support the war on Canada, or to support fisherman in states without a coastline, or to point to a major european country on a map. We hear the loud obnoxious tourists shouting on a bus, trying to pay in dollars, and we don’t notice the quiet Americans. We only notice the horrid ones because they stick out. The same for Britain, for all the hundreds of tourists visiting Spain, looking for good food, music, art and history, it;s the 20 lads on a stag do puking up their guts in shagaluf that people remember.
I’ve lived in the US for a while, and I have some great American friends, and I do think it’s sad they sometimes have to apologise for their countrymen. You do have some good cultural ambassadors- there are great artists, directors, writers, music, philosophers, politicians, but it’s the horrible ones people remember, and associate with the stereotyped American.
Where does racism come from? Sometimes people see others acting differently from them, find it offensive and brandish the whole race / nation with the same brush. This turns into being anti everything from that race. So some people I know won’t go to Starbucks. I could agree with that for certain reasons, but their reason is “because it’s American”, as is there answer for other things. Even people I know who have met a nice American, will often say, “Ok, you’re right, he or she is nice, but the majority I dislike”. I don’t know how you can change this. I like to think most people are open to change and your cultural ambassadorism will work. But then I think of some people, British, who lived and worked in America for years, and who are now obnoxious too. Maybe they were like this before but have learnt American skills of being forthright, speaking your mind, speaking loudly (I do think most of the Americans I’ve met have been able to do these better than a British person) and so standout more. Know who i’m talking about?
Anyways, what do you think? And Scotland IS a country. yay for Scotland! Our stereotype of being a mean-with-money, taciturn, alcoholic, deep-fried-mars-bar-eating, sectarian, English-hating nation isn’t true either, right?
Though I think Scotland has two stereotypes- money-saving, taciturn, stoical, kilt-wearing, strong boned, mince and tattie-eating man, then stupid chavs with 20/20, buckfast, sniffing glue, shouting abuse for the fun of it, wearing burberry and nike jobby-catchers. And I’m not a tourist…
by SSG
08 Jan 2009 at 20:04
apologies for bad grammar, spelling, confusing there with their, insulting random nations, and a long rant.
by Angel
08 Jan 2009 at 21:59
I lived in different parts of Europe in the early 90s. They didn’t like us any better then, either. It’s really a no win situation. If we didn’t share our culture we’d get a bad rap, but when we do, everything is our fault for sharing it.
The simple truth is, to be completely general, we are arrogant people. We have chosen to believe the things we’ve been taught about other countries, and in turn, they’ve been taught to believe the bad stuff about us, too. We’re a close-minded species worldwide.
For the most part, I had very positive experiences abroad. That is, after I learned to not be offended by it all. Once the people around me realized I wasn’t what they expected, I was always treated well and in turn I tried my best to be a positive influence on their misconceptions. I always found the best way to show them I was a good person was to respect their ideas and cultures as much as I wanted them to respect mine.
I never considered myself an ex-pat. I knew that eventually I’d be back home. I was an American all the way. But when I lived in Germany, I did my very best to respect their laws and their culture. I celebrated their holidays, learned their history, spent my money in their economy, learned their language. I tried my best to live as German as possible. I did the same thing while living in France. I wanted to be treated French. I didn’t want them to think I expected anything special because I’m American. I think they appreciated my efforts and respected me for it. (Even though no matter how hard I tried, even taking private classes, I simply could not learn German more than just basic stuff to get me around.) But I tried!
by Lara
08 Jan 2009 at 23:58
My husband has a tradition that at first irritated me (because I am not all that outgoing and it went beyond my comfort zone). But I see the logic behind it, and I’ve come to enjoy it as well.
A lot of international people come to the company where he works for training or consulting work. He invites them all to our house for dinner. We have hosted people from China, Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, Australia, and Egypt… from those I can remember offhand, I’m sure there are more.
He knows that most foreigners have as skewed of an image of Americans as we have of people from their culture, and he works to remedy those misconceptions one dinner at a time. The only way to really see what someone is like is to spend some time with them… and maybe even see inside a real American home and eat home-cooked American food.
How can they claim to have seen the US when they spend their free time in hotel rooms and restaurants? To know a country, you need to know the people. As individuals, because we are all uniquely individual.
by lora
09 Jan 2009 at 00:17
I don’t know how you survive down there, with all the criminals and UV rays.
When I’m out of the country, I tell people I’m from Canada
by alice
09 Jan 2009 at 02:05
Ha — lora, I do the same thing, eh?
I spent a summer in London years ago and my trip started in May, so I was there quite a while before the American tourists all descended on the city at the beginning of July — and I found them unbelievably obnoxious and annoying. Actually, I probably found them way more irritating than the Brits, because as you say, we hate what we are and I was supposedly one of them…
by alice
09 Jan 2009 at 02:06
Oh, yeah — and those kids in the top photo are victims of child abuse.
by sarala
09 Jan 2009 at 02:23
People may loathe us for our exports but no one is making the French buy coffee at Starbucks, or the Aussies or Chinese eat at McDonalds. I want to see Starbucks in Paris even less than the average Parisian! I love French cafes.
I remember when I lived in Paris discovering there was a stereotype that American women were sluts. Then I happened to see a moment of Dallas (all the rage in Europe at the time) where a couple of blond bimbos were picking up men in a bar and I thought, no wonder this is how they see us.
I’m not fat, I’m not blond, I’ve never picked up a man in a bar–although I don’t live abroad when I do travel I’m very conscious of my role as ambassador.
Well, time for us all to be a little more tolerant, isn’t it?
by Colin
09 Jan 2009 at 02:24
‘There seems to be something in our psyche (the British are guilty of this as well) that demands that when visiting a foreign country it be as similar to our home as possible’
Yeah, that’s a weird one. Being a Brit, or more precisly, a Scot (consider that a reply to whether Scotland is a country or not :p), I always found it strange that British people seem to holiday in exotic places, then drink British beer and eat fish and chips. I mean, mainland Spain and the surrounding lslands seem to resemble a mini-Britain. It seems the point of a holiday in the British culture is to find somewhere that is as much like home as possible, only warmer.
by mickey
09 Jan 2009 at 02:52
Well said, my friend.
As a person who tends to run in circles of people that tend to be liberal, healthy, and intelligent, I’ve always been frustrated by the exportation to the world of what I percieve to be a false America. Okay, not false perhaps, but definitely an incomplete portrait.
I take comfort knowing (or at least imagining) that the intelligent people of other nations know that what they are getting is a caricature. I hope this was reinforced back in November after a certain election took place in our great nation.
by we_be_toys
09 Jan 2009 at 03:06
Predjudice occurs everywhere. The very people who hold up a stereotype and say, “This is how all (insert nationality, political leaning, gender orientation, etc. here)behave”, are themselves perpetuating the inherent ignorance of a stereotype. Reminds me of the chicken or the egg conundrum.
But boy howdy, are you stirring up up! Good on ya!
by Nathan B.
09 Jan 2009 at 05:25
Honestly, this isn’t any different than how Americans treat each other when talking about other areas of their own country. The US is large enough (size and population) where regions get these awesome stereotypes too, regardless of ever knowing someone from that area or heaven actually visit that area. I guess I’ve just got used to the ridicule as a native Midwesterner (I’m guessing any Americans with a southern accent would also fall into this category) and tried to respect the cultures and traditions of the places I’ve visited both inside and outside the US. The only opinions I can impact are the individuals I meet; I don’t get hung up on the rest.
by bluestreak
09 Jan 2009 at 06:21
Can I ever relate.
When people say “You’re not like other americans” I don’t know whether to tell them “thanks” or “go screw”.
Before I came to Europe I had heard people didn’t like Americans, but my initial experience was so welcoming I didn’t believe it to be true. Then when I experienced it first hand, it stung even more. Especially because at that point it came from people in a culture I was growing to love and respect so much, while at the same time I began missing my own culture so much and it hurt to get slapped in the face like that. I’ve always tried not to take it defensively though and understand what you express here, that their impressions are from media and not from any first hand experience.
My worst experience was not with people living in Spain though. Surprisingly my worst confrontations were with fellow travelers, European but especially Canadians when I was backpacking. I felt horribly insulted on many occasions and it hit me hard because I had no idea or any expectation that Canadians had any hard feelings towards Americans. I guess that’s because I was an ignorant American.
by NATUI
09 Jan 2009 at 06:43
Here here. As a former ex-pat, I got so sick and tired of being accused of all the horrors in the world. Sweden’s rising violence has nothing to do with US television or US gun laws. Feeling pissy about all the American programming? Turn the damned channel. What really chapped my ass was hearing “typical American” out of the mouths of people who had only ever been to Disney World on vacation and thought they had “seen” America. Bah. Great post, man. Great post.
by admin
09 Jan 2009 at 08:39
Headbang – I’d love to see your reply! I know where you’re going, but I don’t think I agree. What if the rest of the world was right in their stereotypes of Germans? But you know, living there, that’s not the case.
SSG – Wow, nice one! First of all, the stereotypes of Scots are actually accurate. Second of all, I met lots of fat, loud, rude and probably stupid Brits as well. I think there are probably fat, loud, rude and stupid people in every country. No, but I like your analogy with racism. And I won’t go into a Starbucks either, but then I try to avoid any chain store whether American, Australian or Bulgarian. It’s not an American thing for me, I just think we should try and buy local.
Angel – For every arrogant American there is a humble one. For every loud American there is a soft-spoken one. And for every fat American there’s a normal sized one. I think our friends abroad just don’t notice the latter class because they assume that they’re Canadian!
Lara – Dr. O’C and I used to do the same thing when we were living in Misery. She drove it, because she knew how hard it was to come to the Midwest as a furriner and fit in. But it was such a rewarding experience – you get glimpses of cultures that you would probably never have any insight into otherwise. And it forces you to leave your preconceptions at the door.
Lora – When I first moved to Britain I thought about saying that, but then it defeats the purpose of trying to change people’s minds about Americans. It got to the point that people would sometimes forget I was a Yank. Our cleaner at work used to go on these xenophobic rants about foreigners ruining Britain. Every now and again I’d remind her of my citizenship just to mess with her.
Alice – re the kids – they are, absolutely. That picture disturbs me immensely. Everytime I see it I think about taking it down. But then it should disturb me.
I am definitely more sensitive to American tourists than the locals. I cringe when I come across a particularly bad bunch.
Sarala – That’s an excellent point. As much as people abroad complain about our exports, they aren’t boycotting them (well, I saw a McD in Paris that had been occupied by anarchists, but). In fact, the most crowded McDonalds I’ve ever seen was on Cornmarket Street in Oxford.
Colin – As you know, every holiday spot in Europe has an English pub. Usually filled with sunburnt fat Brits swilling Carling. Or is that a stereotype… Welcome aboard, by the way, good to have another Scot to keep The Strange girl company.
Mickey – I hope so to. I think it blew a lot of preconceptions about Americans away. Or should have done anyway.
We Be Toys – I wasn’t meaning to, just sort of shook out that way. The post that started all this was just meant to be a fluff piece to show off my kid.
Nathan – Do you mean like Midwesterners being slow and fat and dull and white? That’s not a stereotype in my experience.
Bluestreak – Makes sense, though, Canada being our closest neighbor. Having spent a lot of time in the frozen north I could have told you that they weren’t terribly fond of us.
NATUI – That’s my frustration – most of the people who hate America know fuck all about it.
by Jason
09 Jan 2009 at 08:53
Perhaps its just me, but it seems like Australians tend to travel the world a lot more than any other nationality I’ve encountered. While I’m sure they hold numerous stereotypes about Americans, I’m also willing to believe that they are more likely to have first-hand experience to base these stereotypes on. I’ve also heard from some Australians that tend to like Jerry Springer though, so I guess their viewpoints might be skewed too.
I dealt with a number of stereotypes about Americans when I studied in the UK, and I often experienced a lot of what you mention. The whole notion of Americans that they know are nice, but in general Americans are rude and obnoxious. It always kind of bugged me when I’d hear those statements, especially when it came from someone who had never been to America but considered themselves “worldly” because they’ve traveled to multiple countries in western Europe. In agreement with what Nathan said, the differences between London and Brussels are nothing compared to the differences between New York and Baton Rouge.
As for Dr. OC’s comment about how Americans treated her nicely, it did make me chuckle when you said that people on the west coast and in the midwest are genuine. While I obviously I agree because I’ve been in the midwest for almost 10 years now with no end in sight, it reminds me of something my uncle in-law (is that a real term?) said in the past about people in the state of Iowa, although I think this applies for the entire midwest. Many people are nice, but there’s always those people that are “Iowa nice”, meaning that they’re all smiles and friendly when you’re around, but they don’t hesitate to talk smack about you when you’re gone.
by courtney
09 Jan 2009 at 08:53
Great post, and I’ve studied this kind of thing a lot in my chosen field. Of course, being better traveled than I, you have a much more first-hand perspective.
Far be it from me to extol American culture — lord knows there’s plenty to be ashamed and appalled about — and it’s a shame that McDonald’s and American TV are invading and taking over cultures. But I agree with you — an equally offensive crime is the obvious prejudice exhibited by these people who stereotype Americans. Sure, a lot of Americans are fat and ignorant and insulated, but isn’t it just as ignorant to sit in a foreign country and pass judgment on a culture they only know through media? Just because we’re the biggest kids on the block doesn’t mean we deserve to be automatically hated.
I really just hate stereotypes of any form. It’s prejudice, plain and simple. I do my best to understand and appreciate other cultures; shouldn’t other cultures extend the same courtesy to me?
by Nathan B.
09 Jan 2009 at 08:59
Honestly, is the good ol’ US of A shoving McDonalds, etc. down the world’s collective throat? Really, if other countries and cultures didn’t want the stuff, why are their people buying it?
by Carolyn Online
09 Jan 2009 at 10:23
I’m trying to get my kids to have nice fat passports so, if nothing else, they won’t be ignorant of the world.
by Jamie
09 Jan 2009 at 16:18
This post will only confirm the view that Americans are arrogant ass-hats, but I can’t help myself:
Gators are National Champions baby!
And Chris, doesn’t it make you feel better that your team got blown out by the National Champs? There is no shame in losing to the best, right?
by SSG
09 Jan 2009 at 22:30
yeah, I agree, there are a lot of fat stupid people in every nation in the world, but some nations more than others, eh?
But yeah I never understood wanting abroad to be the same as home. isn’t that why you go abroad? I love travelling and enjoy the differences. I would hate to see Scottish or British things while abroad, English breakfasts in Spain, NO THANKS!
I do think some national stereotypes ring true, but then these are not true of everyone from that country. But I do think it’s the awful ones you remember. The Americans I served when working for years as a waitress/ shop assistant/ barista who said only “please can i have a cappuncino” “thank you” I don’t remember. The ones who said “Gee why don’t you take dollars? Look at the seats aren’t they sooo cute with them small tables? Gimme one of those paninis. Where’s your bathroom? Don’t you have diet coke? frank, FRANK, you got that silly money on yewwwww??? Travis, TRAVIS, will you get over here and chooose a cake”. this couple were fat with fat kids and were rude and obnoxious. And people just assumed they were that way because they were American. I have seen British people this way too, and also find it offensive. But the French, Italian, Japanese, Spanish, German or other nationalities I happened to serve didn’t behave in this way.
So what I’m trying to say is it’s the extreme people remember. The American extreme is different from the extreme of other nations- the French are rude and ignorant in a different way, the Spanish too, the Japanese also, but it’s the rude Americans people remember.
Maybe they should only allow the nice ones a passport.
But I have been in a situation where once people from different nations bonded over their dislike of the United States and it’s people.
I just don’t know how you can change it. I am afraid other countries will start seeing Britain this way. I think getting to know people as an American who doesn’t fit the stereotype is a good thing, who knows, maybe I’ve changed people’s stereotype of Scottish people, or not. I do like anything battered and dipped in hot oil…
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by Jamie
10 Jan 2009 at 03:06
This comment will only confirm the impression that Americans are arrogant ass-hats, but I can’t help myself:
Gators are National Champions baby!
Now, Chris, doesn’t it feel better having been routed by the National Champs? After all, there is no shame in losing to the best, right?
by admin
10 Jan 2009 at 09:11
Jason – I’m not speaking specifically about Australians. I’m talking about people that you run across in various parts of the world, including Oz, that have formed a stereotype of Americans based on what they’ve seen on TV or a few encounters with random Americans – usually tourists. Now, as for the folks in the Midwest – you and I know that to be true, but let’s not dispel Sinead’s illusions.
Courtney – Well said. It’s funny, I only get patriotic and defensive when non-Americans slag us off. In general, I agree with them but I don’t like other people talking shit about us. You and I can, though, if you like. I mean 47% of Americans voted for McCain/Palin – what does that tell you?
Nathan – That’s my point – nobody’s forcing their fat asses to eat Big Macs for lunch.
SSG – When I was working at a coffee shop in Georgia during the 96 Olympics I hated the Europeans because they didn’t tip. I was convinced that all Europeans were tight dickheads until traveling to Europe and realizing that it’s just not something that they do there. They pay their servers a living wage instead. At any rate, a lot of the stereotypes are based on misconceptions like that, I reckon.
Jamie – Maybe the stereotype that non-Americans have of us is that of a Gator fan – fat ass, obnoxious, jort wearing butt monkeys. For you to be a real national champ, I think you have to beat undefeated Utah. Since that’s not going to happen, I do not recognize your championship.
by HereInFranklin
11 Jan 2009 at 02:51
AFM-you lament the Americanization (SP?) of the world–I lament the Americanization of America, if that makes sense. Regional differences are increasinlgy hard to find. My local hardware store is gone–now I have Home Depot or Loews. My local bookstore is gone–now I have Borders and Barnes and Noble. I think that the world will be one big strip mall full of nail salons and smoothies stores before long.
Thank you for such a thoughtful post.
by Coal Miner's Granddaughter
11 Jan 2009 at 06:37
I well remember my trip to Egypt nine years ago, talking with a young man who was, at the time, working in Egypt’s tourism industry, who knew anything and everything about American politics, movies, and pop culture. And I? Knew nothing about Egypt except the archeological sites and the name of the current president. I was disappointed with myself. But I try (not all the time – too many toddlers so little time) to catch the news from different countries every now and again so that I’m not such a self-absorbed American.
But, you know, these stereotypes are everywhere. I can’t tell you how many Georgians make “cousins marrying cousins” jokes each time I reveal that I’m from West Virginia. And the irony? Marrying your first cousin is illegal in WV, but not in Georgia.
I just have to shake my head and smile.
by adam
11 Jan 2009 at 10:34
I was an American expat living in Scotland for a long while. When walking on the street with (Scottish) friends, we would see a group of Americans. My friends would say something derogitory about Americans. I’d then say, “Hey! Do you think that about me?” No. “Do you think that about any of the other Americans you know?” No. So why do you say that?
Eventually I shortened it to, “fuck off” and my friends stopped saying bad things about Americans (around me).
People say these things because their peers say them, and they don’t really know any better. Where it starts from, I’m not really sure. Most people I knew in the UK couldn’t wait to have a Starbucks or McDonalds in their town, so it certainly wasn’t that.
General observations: Brits are even more annoying tourists than Americans, the English are worse about this than the Scottish, and the people who complain about American culture getting crammed down their throats still love Lost, McDonalds, and American movies. And Americans truthfully are a degree louder than anyone else (except, suprisingly, the Chinese when I was in China).
by mjrc
11 Jan 2009 at 12:56
“I’m like a frickin’ cultural ambassador for the U.S.A.”–i’m going to notify the obama administration that you are ready and willing to serve . . .
but seriously, i thought they hated us for our freedom, not our fatness or our ignorance or our loudness or our celebrities or our “culture” or our military bases or our torture or our, well, you get the picture.
by admin
12 Jan 2009 at 08:33
HIF – I know. That’s one of the reasons I was happy to leave the U.S. My disappointment lies in the fact that the strip-malling of America goes beyond its borders.
CMGD – I think that Georgians who live in glass houses probably shouldn’t throw stones. I mean, it is Deliverance country after all
Adam – Thanks for your comment and you’ve got it dead right, particularly the last paragraph. I got to the point where I use the fuck off response as well. You’re right about the chains as well. You’re average Brit is thrilled to get a new chain shop or restaurant in their neighborhood.
MJRC – Thanks for that, you’ve got an insider, do you?
I know that you’re going to be surprised to hear that all those right wing pundits were wrong, but I’m pretty sure it’s not the freedom that’s the problem…
by Andrea
13 Jan 2009 at 02:46
I remember a conference trip when our flight back to Chicago got cancelled and we were put up in a Parisian airport hotel. We got free dinner and booze that evening, and we were eating near a group of Americans who had banded together after the agonizing hours spent waiting for the flight to go from delayed to “we’re working on it” to cancelled. Anyway, they were relaxing and chatting away when the complaining about the flight started, naturally enough. Then the phrase to end all American stereotypical phrases was loudly put forth: “They should be more grateful – after all, if it wasn’t for us, they’d all be Germans, hahahaha.” I could not believe that someone would be so ignorant and obnoxious as to say such a thing and I was super embarrassed to be even possibly considered part of that group. We had made so many friends of all ages from many European countries, Australia and the US of A at the conference. Yet this statement hit me so much more – as others have said, it’s the stereotypical losers that give such a bad example to the rest of the world.
MO was such a wonderful experience and it was an honour to make some great friends there, friends who were from all over the world as well as the Midwest. But my well-hashed stories tend to be more about the technician who couldn’t believe Mexicans used different currency and who was shocked that I came from a city with more than a million people (in Canada???). Or about the couple that applied for new credit cards on a regular basis so as to carry the balance from their ginormous wedding held several years back on as low a % interest as possible. Not about the easy going and completely welcoming Southerners we met on our float trips or during rock-crawling Sundays. Or the other Americans we taught and we taught by.
Part of the problem is, IMHO, the overwhelming nationalism and patriotism felt by many Americans. I am always shocked when I watch Jeopardy (ha – talk about getting stereotypes from mass media) that there are so many people who know so much about every tiny battle in the American civil war. Yes, we learned Canadian history, but since there really isn’t that much of it (comparatively), we turned to the rest of the world by junior high (grade 7) and focused on world history in high school. Yes, the USA is a world power. But since when and for how long? If Canada had refrained from entering the second world war until as much profit from being non-partisan had been made, would we too be patting ourselves on the backs for “saving” the free world?
by Nathan B.
13 Jan 2009 at 05:12
Andrea, I think the short answer is, when you’re a global power, your history is world history. Like it or not.
by admin
14 Jan 2009 at 09:13
Andrea – Well said! I’ve had the same experiences in Europe – you just want to hide. And there certainly were some small minded morons in Misery. But I think we were lucky in Columbia, because it’s a pretty progressive town. Imagine if you’d been living in some podunky town – Booneville or something, yikes.
Nathan – That’s bogus. World history goes back before 1776. And includes stories that have nothing to do with the US of A.
by Chris in Saskatoon
15 Jan 2009 at 05:53
The biggest problem with stereotypes is that they’re recognizable – just like the squeeky wheel gets the grease the stereotypical individual gets recognized while the person next to her, with exactly the same background, goes unnoticed.
On top of that it’s hardly human nature to see a person/nationality/culture that is different and then toidentify them/it by how much better it is than what we’re used to.
by ohthatgirl
24 Jan 2009 at 02:00
My most common observation when traveling to other countries and interacting with the people there is this: Americans get a bad rap from people who don’t know Americans, especially in areas where American tourists are abundant. FYI…Tourists are generally not a great representation of the country they come from, because they are not trying to emmerse themselves into the culture they are visiting. They are probably more obnoxious and carefree just because they are on ‘vacation’. They are looking to see and do as many ‘fun’ things as possible. Day to day life in any culture is not always about the activities you do but more about the relationships with the people in your life. This is why I think it is hard to build any sort of relationship with a short-term tourist that is anything beyond superficial.
It’s really a shame that people can be so close-minded about other cultures. I will be the first to tell you that Americans have an overindulgent lifestyle when compared to most other nationalities. But here is the way I look at it: If you don’t agree with our way of life, don’t buy into it. Like it was said in a previous comment, no one is shoving McDonalds down your throat. I live in America and hardly ever eat at McD’s, and if it was eliminated all together I would most certainly not lose any sleep.
And please, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT judge our country by our celebrities. Most of them lead lives that are completely detached from average American reality. Seriously.
I realize that my post pretty much reinforces what you are saying, AFM. Just wanted to say that I am a new follower of your blog and “I feel ya!”.
I am thinking of visiting Australia sometime in the near future. I even thought of moving there. Your blog is very insightful. Thanks!
ohthatgirls last blog post..sorry i missed you…we will talk again real soon