Based on my students’ evaluations, I spent most of last semester boring them for a few hours every Monday morning. I was running short of material toward the end of the semester, so I started throwing in lectures about topics that interested me regardless of whether they were particularly relevant. One of these is human evolution, in particular how our species (Homo sapiens) ended up at the top of the primate heap.
Anatomically modern humans (AMH) arose in eastern Africa about 160,000 years ago and, based on their success, began to seek greener pastures about 45,000 years ago. But at the time, our ancestors weren’t the only hominids on the block. Living happily in Europe, minding their own business, were the Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalis). In a relatively short period of time after AMH arrived in Europe, the Neanderthals were gone. One of the long-standing mysteries in biology is just what happened to the Neanderthals.
For many years, the most popular hypothesis was that Neanderthals had been genetically absorbed by early humans to generate you and I. However, a number of studies comparing mitochondrial and Y chromsome DNA sequences of modern humans and DNA extracted from Neanderthal remains demonstrated pretty unequivocally that this is not the case. There is very little or no Neanderthal DNA in my genome, though the parentage of some far right pundits is still a bit dubious. One hypothesis disproven, but the question remained unanswered – what happened to the Neanderthals?
A recent paper in PLoS ONE offers some exciting new clues in the Case of the Vanishing Neanderthals. Led by American archaeologist Will Banks, a French group used a novel climactic modeling technique to answer some questions about climate in the Paleolithic and its effect on Neanderthal population. Rather than bumbling through it myself, I thought we might go and talk to the experts. Will was kind enough to take some time out to talk over their results with us:
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AFM: Let’s start with the basics. How did Neanderthals differ from early Homo sapiens anatomically?
WB: Neanderthals were more robust than modern humans. They tended to have larger chests, thicker bones, and were more developed musculature than moderns. They also had, on average, a larger cranial capacity than AMH.
AFM: What about culturally and socially? What sort of groups did the two species form? We know that humans were migratory, what about Neanderthals?
WB: Culturally and socially, it is hard to know exactly how they compared to AMH since we cannot observe social interactions. However, we do see from the archaeological record that they took care of individuals that would not have been able to provide for themselves, there are burials so we know that they cared for the dead, there is evidence for symbolic behavior, and it is clear that they were intelligent. So, it is not unreasonable to assume that they had well-developed social structures, and like modern humans, there was likely a high degree of variability concerning the nature of these social networks.
AFM: When did AMH begin to migrate out of Africa? When did the two species first begin to interact? When did Neanderthals become extinct?
WB: It appears that Neanderthals’ evolutionary separation from populations that eventually gave rise to genetically modern populations occurred around 300,000 years ago.We can recognize distinctive populations of AMH in Europe and Asia around 45-40,000 years ago. So, the period between 50-35,000 years ago is when we see these two populations in contact in the Near East and Europe, but limitations in radiocarbon dating resolution makes it difficult to know how long this period of interaction would have been. Mellars (2006) points out that rather than being a few thousand years in length, the period of contact may have been as brief as 1,000-2,000 years, based on new high-resolution dating methods. In any case, despite some claims (which are based on problematic data and which are not viewed as being reliable by most of the archaeological community) that Neanderthals were present until ca. 28-24,000 years ago in southern Spain, the archaeological record indicates that Neanderthals finally went extinct during Greenland Interstadial 8 (39-36,000 years ago), or the subsequent GI 7, at the very latest.
AFM: I know that the idea that Neanderthals and AMH interbred to produce modern Homo sapiens has been discounted, but what type of interactions would we expect between the two? I’ve read some reports suggesting that Neanderthals may have had the ability to speak. Could there have been verbal interactions between the two species? What about trade? Would AMH have recognized Neanderthals as a separate species or at least “different”?
WB: Those are hard questions to answer since we do not have the luxury of being ethnographers for that period. I would imagine that interactions between the two populations would have run the gamut from friendly to violent interactions – remember we are dealing with two human populations over a fairly long time span. There could have been verbal interactions between the two, but I imagine it would be much like to people nowadays, who do not speak the same language, coming into contact – in other words, it would be difficult to express yourself in such a way that you are sure the other understands what you are trying to say. However, it is difficult to know how in-depth such interactions would have been. It is also possible that the two “species” avoided one another as much as possible. It is just really difficult to say anything with any degree of certainty. I think it is pretty reasonable to assume, though, that both Neanderthals and AMH would have recognized the other as being different.
AFM: Could you describe the two standing hypotheses regarding the fate of the Neanderthals?
WB: The two principal hypotheses are: 1) that climatic changes and rapid-scale climatic variability (known as Dansgaard-Oeschger variability) during Isotope Stage 3 were such that Neanderthals could not behaviorally adjust to them and over the course of time, their populations declined and they eventually became extinct; and 2) that AMH (modern humans) were more efficient at procuring resources (as hunter-gatherers) from the environments that they occupied than Neanderthals were and thus they had a competitive advantage over Neanderthals, thus eventually driving them to extinction. In our title we use the term competitive exclusion. It is important to point out that in biology and ecology, the term competitive exclusion refers to the principle that two species that exploit the same resources cannot stably coexist, and one possible result is the extinction of one of the species.
AFM: One of the aspects of your paper that I found quite interesting was the climactic modelling that your group used. Tell us a little bit, in layman’s terms, about how this modelling works.
WB: Quite simply, what the paleoclimatologists on the team did was to take a climate model, called a General Circulation Model, which describes how precipitation and temperature vary and describes climatic variability around the world, and introduced conditions that we know existed during the periods that we focused on – the interstadials (mild periods) before Heinrich Event 4, Heinrich Event 4, and Greenland Interstadial 8 – in order to simulate those prehistoric climatic conditions. For example, we know from radiocarbon-dated deep sea cores what the temperature of the ocean’s surface was during those periods, we know from ice cores what atmospheric CO2 concentrations were, we can estimate the volume of the ice sheets that were present over Scandanavia, and can estimate how much fresh water had been introduced into the oceans by the massive discharges of icebergs during Heinrich Event 4. All of these “boundary conditions” are used to “force” the general circulation model and thus simulate prehistoric climate conditions. We then refined these simulations with a very tight grid over Europe in order to achieve the high-resolution simulations (ca. 60 km grid squares).
AFM: In general terms, how do your results refute the climactic hypothesis?
WB: One of the powerful capabilities of the algorithm that we used is that one can take a reconstructed ecological niche for one time period and project it onto the environmental conditions of a subsequent period to determine where that niche would exist in the later period. When we did this for the reconstructed Heinrich Event 4 Neanderthal eco-cultural niche and projected it onto the relatively more mild conditions of Greenland Interstadial 8, we saw that the ecological conditions exploited by Neanderthals during H4 would have been present over most of Europe during GI8. However, when one looks at where we see Neanderthal sites during GI8, we see that they occupied only an extremely small geographic region of that much larger projected, potential niche. Therefore, we argue that climatic conditions did not cause their extinction. If this reduction of their territory had been climatically induced, our projections would have predicted that, but the opposite was indeed the case.
AFM: Your PLOS paper lends support to the idea that AMH simply outcompeted Neanderthals when the two species occupied the same ecological niche. Is there any evidence regarding the nature of this clash. In other words, what advantages did AMH have that allowed them to drive the Neanderthals to extinction?
WB: It is difficult to know for sure, but since modern humans were able to successfully outcompete Neanderthals for ecological resources during their period of co-existence, one could assume that there was likely some behavioural advantage or advantages. For example, we see that their stone tool technologies were different, so perhaps AMH toolkits were more efficient at procuring resources. Maybe AMH social networks were better at allowing populations to cope with resource shortages, and perhaps these social networks allowed populations to remain more viable than what was possible with Neanderthal social networks.
9. If you’ll indulge a bit of speculation – modern humans have demonstrated the capacity for genocide. Is there any evidence – mass graves, wounds on remains, archaeological finds – that would suggest that our ancestors demonstrated the same propensity for genocide. In other words, is there any possibility that the anatomically modern humans intentionally eliminated the Neanderthals?
No, there is no evidence of that. I think it was simply competitive exclusion in the biological/ecological sense of the term.
AFM: What’s next? Where does your research go from here?
The direction we are moving in now is to look at a single archaeological culture (called a technocomplex) and examine whether behavioural and technological variability within that technocomplex is associated with different ecological niches or suites of environmental conditions. So, rather than examining eco-cultural differences between two different archaeological cultures, we are shifting towards trying to see if it is possible to identify variability in human-environment interactions within a culture.
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Thanks to Will for taking the time to talk about his work. Will is an archaeologist by training with specialties in high-power use-wear analysis and modeling past human-environment interactions. He did his Ph.D. at the University of Kansas (rock, chalk) and then went to France to do post-doctoral work aimed at developing the approach termed eco-cultural niche modeling with funding from the CNRS and U.S. NSF. He is currently a research associate attached to the PACEA lab of the French CNRS and the University of Bordeaux.
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by chris
06 Feb 2009 at 11:59
“perhaps these social networks allowed populations to remain more viable than what was possible with Neanderthal social networks.”
So anatomically modern humans had Facebook?
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by Erin
06 Feb 2009 at 12:23
Wow. I read every single word of that and let me tell you, it was quite a feat for my feeble brain! With that said though, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I feel like I’ve been transported back to my college Cultural Anthropology class 10 years ago! I think I might have actually retained more if you’d been my professor.
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by Agnes
06 Feb 2009 at 12:34
Fascinating. I thought your question about genocide was fantastic too – it never would’ve occurred to me to ask that.
And what a job description!
by Cat
06 Feb 2009 at 13:59
I have a bachelors degree in Advertising, and a lot of this seemed to be written in a language we liberal arts majors are not privy to, but it was still fascinating.
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by admin
06 Feb 2009 at 14:45
Chris – Yep and the Neanderthals were stuck using MySpace – rubbish. No wonder they went extinct.
Erin – I really kind of doubt it. I’m a pretty dull lecturer by all accounts.
Agnes – Yeah, the genocide thing is pretty wild speculation based on no data whatsoever, as Will rightly pointed out.
Cat – I tried to keep it simple and jargon free, but inevitably we fall back on jargon. Basically what Will and his colleagues were looking at is what happened to the Neanderthals in Europe. In a period of maybe a couple of thousand years – think of the time between Caesar and today – an entire species vanished*. During that period there were a few periods of climate fluctuation that some people think the Neanderthals couldn’t cope with. Will’s group shows that most of Europe would have been perfectly comfortable for the Neanderthals but they just weren’t there. This means that they had begun to disappear regardless of climate change. The only logical conclusion, then, is that they were dying off for other reasons. The most likely reason – the arrival of our ancestors.
*Will, if you’re reading these comments, I’ve seen estimates of population size for Neanderthals as about 3 – 12,000. Is that accurate as far as you know?
by suzer
06 Feb 2009 at 15:49
Hey are you calling my old cousin Rush a dud;)
Anyway, I took cultural and physical anthropology classes at uni and didn’t know that we weren’t evolved from Neanderthals:/
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by admin
06 Feb 2009 at 16:00
Definitely not descended from Neanderthals, though maybe from Homo heidelbergensis. But this isn’t my field, so I could be wrong about the latter.
by Will
06 Feb 2009 at 17:25
I am pleased to hear (read) that you guys have found the topic an interesting one. As for the question about population densities, that is always hard to estimate and any figure will be based on a lot of assumptions – for example that the archaeological record is a representative sample, that prehistoric hunter-gatherer groups 40,000 years ago would have similar constraints and carrying capacities as those observed for “modern” hunter-gatherer populations, etc. So, all of that to say that one must read such population densities with a grain of salt, and also to say that off the top of my head I cannot give a figure. Let me look into it and I’ll get back to you if I find anything.
by Dizzy
06 Feb 2009 at 19:33
Very interesting post indeed! I’ve wondered about this myself since my evolution course in college. What about disease? For example, when the Europeans came to the Americas they brought with them small pox, which the Native Americans had no resistance to. Could the same thing have happened with AMH and Neanderthals?
by Will
06 Feb 2009 at 22:35
Yes, the estimates of between 3-12,000 individuals are the most recent, with most studies based on genetic data hovering around the mark of ca. 10,000 individuals (e.g. Noonan et al. 2006 Science, Green et al. 2008 Cell). With such a low population density, it is not surprising that any slight adaptive advantage(s) by modern humans with respect to Neanderthal adaptive systems, and exploiting the same ecological niche as Neanderthals, would have resulted in neanderthal extinction by competitive exclusion.
by Angel
06 Feb 2009 at 23:07
I actually found this interesting. That amazes me because I rarely find anything intellectual interesting.
So, Neanderthals were bigger in every aspect physically… always known that. And they had a larger cranial capacity, but obviously didn’t have or develop to the degree or speed of the AMH…
… and you’re positive that our modern male species can’t be connected to the Neanderthal in any way, whatsoever?
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by will
06 Feb 2009 at 23:39
The Mellars 2006 article that I mentioned in my reply is in fact this one in Nature: Vol 439|23 February 2006|doi:10.1038/nature04521 and not the one that is linked to.
by Prefers Her Fantasy Life
06 Feb 2009 at 23:57
Nice interview. Wondering what the accompanying soundtrack might be?
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by Jason O.
07 Feb 2009 at 01:02
Well, at least a tighter grid scale over present-day Europe vs. the usual GCM is better.
1) How coarse was the grid resolution outside Europe? Surely global conditions outside Europe were directly simulated? Or were they modeled? Or were they provided as user-defined inputs during preprocessing?
2) Did AMH’s of the time keep temperature records? (perhaps on a cave wall?) If there is no experimental data from this period, how can we possibly validate your approach? There is significant variance of actual data vs. GCM prediction even over the extremely short run 2000-2007:
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001315forecast_verificatio.html
3) Did you have any other data (other than sea cores and ice cores) to make your assumptions re: Scandinavian ice sheet status and ocean fresh water content? On a scale of 1-10, (10 being metaphysical certitude, a.k.a. you’d bet your next 3 paychecks) how confident are you in these assumptions?
4) I think your embrace of the competitive exclusion hypothesis (vs. climactic simulation) is prudent.
by Gypsy
07 Feb 2009 at 01:25
I am often attracted to men with that Neanderthal-like brow. What does this say about me?
Fantastic interview. Thanks for sharing!
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by Nathan B.
07 Feb 2009 at 02:10
The one question I have about the competition explanation is this: what were the population sizes of the two groups during the time of interaction? If the populations were relatively small, it would seem to me that the resources would be plentiful for both groups if climate was not an issue.
by Teri
07 Feb 2009 at 03:50
Facinating. I love this stuff. Very cool.
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by Damon
07 Feb 2009 at 05:20
What an outstanding and informative interview. Extinction by competitive exclusion…how fascinating!
by admin
07 Feb 2009 at 08:18
Will – good to see you commenting, I think you’re my first interviewee to respond to readers comments – makes it a nice dialogue!
Dizzy – I’ve seen a paper or two talking about communicable diseases and the Neanderthals. One in particular hypothesizes that some Neanderthals fell victim to the human version of Mad Cow disease, suggesting that they were cannibals: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WN2-4RV7H13-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=951adeae47564c2b501172ea63273ece
But they have, as far as I can tell, absolutely no data to support their hypothesis. A little bit dodgy, I think – rather like my genocide idea.
Angel – I always thought they were shorter, but apparently not. I also wonder about the bigger noggin. They seem to have had a bigger brain, but maybe didn’t know how to use it. I’m telling you, Limbaugh is the lost Neanderthal.
Will – Corrected that link.
Prefers – Goldfrapp.
Jason – Tough questions, above my pay grade.
Gypsy – Closet Republican.
Nathan – I think that’s a really good point. If we’re dealing with such small populations in a place the size of Europe, they may have interacted only very rarely. But, it’s hard to imagine that resources would have been that limited. I don’t know – if they’re hunters, is it possible that you have a decline in their main prey? That being said, a population size that small would be extremely fragile, and even minor events could be devastating.
Will – One more question. I was pleased to see this paper in an open access journal – makes your research available to everyone, not just academics. This was one of the reasons that I wanted to interview you in particular. Did you guys make a decision to publish Open Access or did it just shake out that way?
by we_be_toys
07 Feb 2009 at 09:04
Yet another fab interview that wrinkled my gray matter considerably. I’ve always been fascinated by the fact that both types of humans existed at the same time, so this was great fun to read. Excellent questions – the one about genocide wouldn’t have occurred to me, but it’s a good one. I have a question about the estimated population of the Neanderthals: why were their numbers so small? Had they not been thriving before the AMH (not the same as Cro-Magnon?) arrived on the scene, or had they always been a slim volume of human history, due to perhaps the harsh climate they evolved in?
by NATUI
07 Feb 2009 at 11:29
I didn’t realize that the ability to speak had any influence on attraction/the ability to procreate.
Great article. I find both the germ theory and the genocide theory very interesting. It seems to be that it’s probably a little bit of everything. Newly introduced diseases weakened immune systems making it harder to adapt/survive from one season to the next as the climate changed in unfamiliar ways. As one group found themselves superior to the other, a little bit of warfare to run them out of the area meant less and less room/resources. Fascinating stuff, man.
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by Jason O.
07 Feb 2009 at 11:29
Your man Will is an obviously dedicated scientist. His use of climate simulation hits close to home, as I have worked for almost a decade in the high performance computing world, and trust me I mention this not to convey myself as an expert.
But I’m a relatively smart and inquisitive guy. And the basic question is: How can we base public policy on the IPCC climate models given that there is no way to validate the IPCC model predictions?
The IPCC tells us what the climate will be in 20, 30, 40+ years. By definition we have no experimental data to validate the IPCC model, because it models event in the distant future!!
And yes, I have been drinking high-ABV belgian beer.
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by Jason O.
07 Feb 2009 at 11:34
seriously, I’m wasted, disregard the poor grammar of the last post. Anyone heard of St. Bernardus ABT 12 from the Watou brewery? It’s fucking dangerous
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by arizaphale
07 Feb 2009 at 13:10
Fascinating stuff now I’ve had time to read and digest it properly. Does Will have a website and is he interested in answering the public’s questions? For example, is there anyone out there in the archealogical sphere following up the idea that some sort of seemingly ‘minor’ event may have been devastating to the small population of Neanderthals? eg seismic events, food source species decline (cf buffalo in northern US), disease again….and as for KJD or Mad Cow, isn’t there some tribe that ingests the brains of their fallen leaders/heroes etc in order that they be given the same power/courage/intellect etc. Could that account for a rapid transmission of the disease if it suddenly popped up? Love thinking about this stuff.
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by Jessica K
07 Feb 2009 at 13:42
I haven’t read a blog post in two weeks, and this was a great one to come back on! I thought it was really interesting. Like someone said a few comments up, I always thought we were supposed to be descended from Neanderthals! Shows ya’ what school in the South will get ya’!
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by Joe
07 Feb 2009 at 15:15
Dude… awesome post.
I saw this just a couple days ago, and it sorta fits here:
http://www.splitreason.com/product/494
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by Will
07 Feb 2009 at 20:08
To try and answer Jason O’s questions:
Our resolution over Europe was grid squares of about 60km on a side (very high-resolution). Space is limited here, so I refer you to our Materials and Methods section of the paper for a nuts and bolts discussion of the simulation boundary conditions and forcings. We can check their accuracy by comparing the simulated results to both terrestrial and marine climatic proxy records (fossil pollen remains, etc.). These proxy records, once dated or placed into a chronological framework, allow us to reconstruct or estimate prehistoric temperatures for specific spots or small regions on the landscape. These proxies can then be compared to the simulations of prehistoric climate to evaluate whether they are accurate or not. This is standard practice in paleoclimatic modeling – and is one way that methods and results are refined. I don’t have the article in front of me, but I am pretty sure that we brought these points up in the article.
In looking back, I guess I misread the paycheck bet question: our ice sheet volume estimations, etc. are backed up with solid data so I am confident in their accuracy.
by Will
07 Feb 2009 at 20:18
Chris, as for the open-access choice, it was a mix of both. We first tried Science but they were uninterested in the topic and passed. I then started thinking then about where else to send it and slowly became more and more interested in the open-access idea. So, I decided to send it to PLoS. There are some real advantages to open access – the primary being that the public can go directly to the article and read it (like I hope Jason O does) and they do not have to rely on press releases or press coverage (which often can completely miss the mark) to try and understand a current issue in the sciences.
by Jason O.
08 Feb 2009 at 02:21
Is there a method to delete embarrassing posts?
I read the materials & methods section. There’s no doubt that you and your colleagues use best-practice assumptions.
Another point in your favor: Since you’re looking back several thousand years, there’s a reduced risk for the availability and confirmation biases (as Dr. Pielke so ably illustrates) that so plague the IPCC, et al.
1) An interesting quote from the paper re: the foundation of climate modeling: “Therefore, the climate simulations used in the present study are unique for several reasons: they use updated SST reconstructions, mid-size ice-sheets, greenhouse gas levels, and orbital parameters appropriate for the periods that bracket Heinrich event 4. The resulting climate is obviously dependent on the hypotheses built up in the boundary conditions we used, and on the climate model itself, but we do not know of any equivalent experiments, with an equivalent model, that have high resolution over Europe.”
Congratulations, you have a creative, ingenious European climate model with at best indirect experimental validation of the inputs. You’ll have to forgive me: In my world, industrial clients demand a huge validation suite (i.e., a large sample of dozens of runs on several different case environments) demonstrating simulation results of +/- 2% variance vs. physical experiment. Bottom line: without experimental data for verification, one must treat GCM data with care.
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by Nathan B.
08 Feb 2009 at 07:02
Chris, I think your point about small, fragile populations is a good one, but for a different reason. To me, I’d wager that disease played a larger role in the “victory” of AMH (as you mentioned earlier in that post). Not necessarily disease form cannibalism, but from contact between the two species. Exposure to a foreign disease (i.e. smallpox, measles) seems much more logical to me than competition for deer, berries or some other resource.
by yellojkt
09 Feb 2009 at 14:28
My father-in-law was Basque and they are so culturally different from other Europeans that I always wondered if there weren’t a little Neandertal way back in their background, but I guess the genetics make that improbable.
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by heather
09 Feb 2009 at 15:32
O.K. I like the competitive exclusion hypothesis (like invasive species). Could there be a combination effect with the climate changes based on the core records and other species extinction? I know that the introduction of AMH wiped out several large animal species in North America. Possible Neanderthal food sources?
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by Teri
10 Feb 2009 at 02:35
Just thinking about you with respect to the recent fires. I really don’t know where in Austrailia you are. Hoping you and your readers/friends/family are OK. It looked awful from the bit of footage I saw on the news. Sending well wishes.
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by SSG
10 Feb 2009 at 07:13
dude you’re too clever for your own good. I think a dud is sometimes easier than being human. Is your electricity down again?
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by Nathan B.
11 Feb 2009 at 01:34
FYI, Mizzou beat the Neanderthals from KU last night…
by tysdaddy
12 Feb 2009 at 04:56
Fascinating stuff, all in the 150th year since Darwin’s Origin. I have bookmarked this post and plan to dig in a bit deeper this evening. But, dude, way to go!
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