This one may not go down well, considering the demographics of my readership.
As a general rule, I try to avoid getting sucked into comment stream dramas – mostly because I have better things to do with life. In most cases, I don’t even go back to a post after I’ve left a comment, just in case I’ve inadvertantly started something.
I should stick with that rule.
Dr. O’C is fully responsible for this one. Be forewarned – I’ve got no music no, cute pictures for this one – just a pretty heated rant. If you’re looking for shiny and happy on this Friday it may be best to move on…
A couple of days ago, I read a post on a friend’s blog. I don’t want to name the blog, I don’t want to suck her into this rant. She was writing about the tough time she was having finding a day care for her little girl. I’ve been there and was trying to make a friend feel better about a tough parental transition, so I said:
Day care is a necessary reality of modern life. I know it sucks to drop them off and I have moments of guilt as well, but it’s not the 1950’s anymore. In most cases both partners have to work in order to maintain a lifestyle that children are ultimately going to need. So don’t beat yourself up about the day care thing.
Another thing. (Boy Z) can put on quite a show when we drop him off sometimes – tears and clinging and wailing. But as soon as we’re out of sight, he’s quiet and happy. Kids are manipulative little critters, so don’t get sucked into that show.
We started a new day care and it’s fantastic – lots of outdoor space, male carers (which I think is a good thing), vegetarian food (so I don’t worry about him not eating vegetables at home) and walking distance from home and (Dr. O’C)’s work. He’s better off there interacting with other kids than he would be at home with one of us for a lot of the time.
As usual, I left the comment and moved on. And this is where it becomes Dr. O’C’s fault. She discovered last night that a commentator who I don’t know and shan’t name had replied. Her comment follows. Italics are mine and I’ve removed names:
I don’t agree with Free Man. There are sacrifices you have to make for your children to be with you but living on one income is certainly possible! (Husband) is in the Army and doesn’t make that much and we live VERY comfortably! I am at home with our three children everyday. I feel bad for people who REALLY can’t do the SAHM thing but there are a lot of families out there that could if they cut back on expenses and prioritized their lives.
I am sure (Blogger) would have preferred to wait until she was out of (City) to have (her baby) but because of her health situation decided to have her while she was still able. Unfortunately (her baby) will be missing her Mommy during the first 2 years of her life but maybe you can come home to be with her full time when you get out of that expensive place! At least its just 3 days a week.
I worked at a day care for a month and HATED it. Watching the kids scream and cry and constantly ask where their mommy and daddy were was just heartbreaking and watching the parents disappointment when the child WOULDN’T respond when they were leaving was sad too. Even when we distracted the child long enough for the parents to leave, they would cry their eyeballs out at some point during the day wondering why mommy and daddy left them there.And I have to disagree with you on the socialization thing. Babies don’t need other babies or people, she needs YOU (Blogger)! I wish you were able to put that career thing aside for her.
oh and free man, My kids have everything they need, over abundance of clothing, toys, friends, food, parents, pets, and even college paid for so I am not sure what else a child could NEED. And even if they didn’t have the college thing, I think paying your own way through college certainly builds better character and you have more to be proud of and appreciate if you get yourself through it.
Right. I’ve been watching the whole series of The Sopranos over again, so when Dr. O’C read this to me, my immediate response was a suggestion that this person engage in a type of auto-erotic behavior that’s technically impossible.
And I really wanted to leave it alone.
But, you know what, I’m not going to.
First of all, if you’re a stay at home parent, I’ve got the utmost respect for you. That’s fantastic and I hope you’re finding it rewarding both for yourself and your children. Honestly – goodonya. I want it to be clear – I do not have a problem with stay-at-home parents in general. Just this one.
Some people don’t want to put their lives on hold for five or more years (assuming you start work after the kids go to school). Some people don’t want to put the ‘career thing’ aside for their kids. This particular blogger, like myself and Dr. O’C, spent close to a decade in tertiary education and we didn’t do this much education to drop out of the workplace as soon as we bred. We believe that you can balance parenting and a career.
Does that make us bad parents?
Speaking for myself and Dr. O’C, we’ve worked hard to integrate our roles as parents and providers. Dr. O’C stayed home with Boy Z for nearly his whole first year – longer than anticipated. She breastfed for nine months. We worked very hard to find a good daycare for him. We arrange our schedules so that Zach spends as little time as possible each day in day care, at the expense of time spent together. I work odd hours and weekends and from home to make sure he’s at home with me for at least one weekday on top of the weekends. I value virtually every moment I’ve got with my son.
Does that make us bad parents?
It’s not about expensive toys – don’t be stupid. We’re not spending money like drunken Republicans. We’ve emigrated around the world and need the income to afford to buy a house in which to raise our children, but it’s not even about money. When I say that it isn’t the 1950’s I mean that the black and white, soft focus Cleaver clan isn’t the norm these days. Gender roles have changed. Women often want more out of life than staying at home baking cookies and popping valium. Both Dr. O’C and I are professional people. We’re well educated people. We want the best for our kids just the same as anyone else does. But I believe that children who are raised by a healthy and happy couple are more likely to be healthy and happy. Neither Dr. O’C nor I would be healthy and happy if we gave up careers that we busted our asses for to stay home with kids. Our kids will be raised in a household that values education, hard work and happiness and will know that the three are not mutually exclusive.
Does that make us bad parents?
Children are not the center of the universe. In fact, giving a child the impression that the world revolves around him or her is very possibly the best way to create a spoiled little monster. Kids need perspective on the world, they need to learn about how to socialize with their peers and people other than their parents. Day care affords them this opportunity. I’ve seen it in Boy Z. When he started day care he was petrified of anyone who wasn’t me or Dr. O’C. In the time he’s spent in day care, he’s developing into a much more outgoing child. Now, I’m sure that kids that stay at home do just fine, but I’m equally sure that kids who go to daycare do just fine.
Does that make me a bad parent?
But what annoyed me the most about this is the arrogance of this commentator. She worked in a day care center for a month and thus is an expert on children in day care? She feels bad for people who can’t do the stay at home parent thing? She’s sure that my friend’s kid will be missing her Mommy? What about her Daddy? Won’t she miss her Daddy? She hopes that my friend puts the career-thing aside? She knows how my friend’s child – how my child- is going to respond to day care? Does she get some kind of thrill by trolling around the internet making people feel like bad parents?
Despite my occasional wringing of hands and fears of inadequacies I know that I’m a good dad. I’m a damn good dad. Dr. O’C is a damn good mum. We work hard to make sure our son is happy, healthy and well-adjusted. And we’re doing a damn good job at it – day care or no day care.
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Heather: The thing is, it IS a case by case thing. You need to temper your comments and take out the judgy. We’re all doing the best we can. Me and you and everyone else. Sweeping gneralizations are stereotypes.
Good god. And here I thought I was coming for over for some Boy Z fluff today. And the day before Mother’s Day, no less.
There is too much here to address as I agree with several people on both sides. Since Teri’s is the comment most recent to mine: thank you, Teri. It IS a case by case basis. Sometimes it is even on a day by day basis. If Heather has this much disdain for SAHM/SAHDs in her “experience” of “1000+ children” I have to say I would hate to be a parent in her circle of influence. Or have my children anywhere near her negative attitude. Anyone who lead my children to believe my choice to be at home is based out of a self serving need to sit on my ass and not have a job needs to stay the hell away from my family.
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I totally agree with Natui, to have my kids around a teacher who hates her job as much, and hates SAHP’s that much would really suck.
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Heather is not all bad, guys–quite the contrary. She just gets a little frustrated sometimes. You’ve got to know her situation, too. Ugh. Probably time to move on to a new topic.
Teris last blog post..The SAHM debate: to stay at home with kids or not
I pity your children. Children aren’t the center of the universe, but they should certainly be the center of the household. All of this talk about ‘wasting your education’ or getting behind in you career is selfishness and trying to make yourself feel better about having strangers raise your children. Young children don’t need socialization, they need the comfort of a mother and father. Try to justify it as much as you can, it all comes down to the fact that you’re too selfish to raise your children in the way that God inteneded.
I have been both a SAHM and a working Mom. I hated staying at home. Most of the SAHMs I know spend their days smothering their kids, watching daytime TV and bitching about other Moms. They’re self-righteous and judgmental. They complain to their husbands about all the work they have to do at home, but complain that they are bored. Their kids are spoiled brats. Since I went back to work, I am happier and my kids are happier. They love day care and I would NEVER go back to staying at home.
The two comments above got picked up by my spam filter (crazy filter). I thought about trashing them, but figured what the hell – free speech and all. I’ve changed nothing but the time stamp so they appear together.
I couldn’t agree with you more, Chris. I don’t have kids, so what do I know, but still… I’m with you.
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Hey AFM! I just came by to catch up on you guys, and this is the post I hit! lol. Bad timing, huh? I didn’t read any of the comments above, cause it’s late, and I should be in bed already, but I just want to say, don’t judge us all by one jerk! As your polar opposite on this planet, I think you and DrO’C are wonderful parents, and I’m sorry that this person made you feel judged.
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well thank you!
that’s the nicest thing I’ve heard all day.
I rarely ever check back to comments that I leave, but I was dying to know what everyone else had to say about all this.
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We absolutely cannot lump mothers and fathers together simply because we’re mothers and fathers. “Oh! You have a child? Well then OBVIOUSLY you want to stay at home!” We all have different financial needs, different emotional needs, and different expectations about our lives. I know people who work and wish they could stay home. I know people who stay home and wish they could work. And I know people who stay at home or who work and are perfectly happy where they are. And no child turned into a serial killer from staying with a parent full time or from going to day care every week day.
People just need to chill and not get in each other’s business. That’s actually the real problem here.
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We live in a world where women are now able to make choices. We no longer live in the 1950’s where women quit there jobs as they get married to take care of their homes, and then later their children. I think it is naive to think that all women think the same way. Not all women can stay at home with their kids! and, Not all women want to stay at home with the kids!
At the heart of it, I think it is really important to own our decisions. Whether to stay home with the kids, or to be out in the world working! It is important to remember that ALL mums work hard – some women seem to have the energy and ability to work and parent. I know that I am unable to do this.
My husband and I together decided that the best thing for our family was for me to be at home with the kids. I find it offensive for anyone to say that stay at home mums stay at home and criticise others etc. I am not a smothering mother!
My career choice was to become a stay at home mum. I don’t care if my mum friends who work bring a bought cake or packet of biscuits because to me the issue is about doing the best for our families and not all of us are great cooks! I’m not!
I think that the war between the working mums and the stay at home mums should stop. Frankly, it is unfounded and a waste of time and energy. Instead we should be looking out for each other and helping each other where we can. Parenthood is hard for both demographic groups. I think it is pointless for us to judge and criticise when we live in such an uncertain world.
Cheers, ey!
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